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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 05:47:38 am »

Got one more question, for Alec:

Since this thread went on a tangent, would you just remove the posts that went beyond the topic about Sprites? I don't think it's going to help the Sprite thread at all now, and people may not even post with their ideas. If you think that fair or needed, I'll leave it up to you.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 05:27:44 am »

Lissar, I don't post here a lot. I'm just responding to this thread because I'm female too and I know where you're coming from. It doesn't seem like people were really offended and angry. It's normal for people to be emotional when they're expressing themselves. If it gets out of hand, that's why there are moderators. Discussions will probably be chaotic in the beginning when people don't understand others' points of view yet. I think us girl gamers should engage in more discussions like these even if we don't agree with each other.

I'd love to have these discussions in the future, but there are too many instances of people not quite reading posts fully. It's very demanding to type out a feeling into feeble sentences that anyone can characterize. I don't think I did myself any true justice either. More likely I've set myself back, so in this case I'm going to stay low profile, or not post much. It's a little better this way, which is actually okay with me.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 05:16:12 am »

It was a bit of chaos because people were assuming things. It didn't tone down until the end. For a while I'm sure many people were getting offended and angry. Rational discussions or debates should be level-headed and calmer.

I'm just going to add that this is my opinion, as I'm just used to people not getting quite so, tense?

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 05:03:40 am »

I think the only thing that can be done is if something offends you in future, you can bring it to my attention so I can get a sense of what you're talking about. I'm still pretty unclear.

Also I'd recommend starting some of your own threads on topics you'd prefer to discuss. That would be a positive way to try to affect the attitudes on the forum.

Well, I'm more burnt out at the moment from this discussion. It's easier to just let the forums go as they have, otherwise more fights occur and chaos starts (similar to this thread), and I've already seen those. I know it sounds like I'm giving up and that this whole discussion was for nothing, but I'd rather just forget most of this for now seeing as not much can be done. It's frustrating, but it's hard to show you what I'm not happy with. To keep it easier I'll ask that you don't worry about it for now, and if I find anything that exemplifies what I don't like I'll let you know.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 04:55:57 am »

It would depend upon the nature of what they are talking about. Sexuality, social issues, religion. Certain things should be kept low key if possible. I'm not about to start a forum labeled "People who fantasize about Naija are bad and here's why." I know that would offend people. There's just certain topics or comments that shouldn't be said, just to respect everyone.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 04:51:16 am »

Do you have any links to the threads in question? Because I really don't know what you're talking about. (help me understand?) We can't really establish any policies unless we specifically know what is offending people and whether or not it makes sense to limit that.

I don't think I can document any at the moment. Possibly some things said in this forum? I'd have to go back and check near the beginning. More, if you have a fantasy or lewd comment to say keep it among a few people or on a forum where fights will not start due to unmarked forums. I don't think you can police this either. It's more of an etiquette that people would follow.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 04:48:03 am »

Everyone is entitled to their fantasies, as long as it doesn't harm anyone.

Right, that's what I mean. I know everyone has an opinion (obviously myself included), but I don't think some things should be accidentally found. And now I wish I had documented the instances where I found them.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 04:43:54 am »

I have stumbled upon certain discussions and comments (accidentally), and I just felt "bad" finding them. I don't know how to explain in any other terms. I felt offended. I can't help it. What I would like is for anyone who is involved in these discussions not make them in more general forums where all types of gamers are found in. Maybe they can make their own forum (marked of course) where they can talk about it, or private message each other. I know this sounds pathetic, but some things just offend. Yes, I know I'm not a child and things shouldn't offend me, but there have been so many times where I've kept my mouth shut and said nothing and I felt defeated. Where everyone was allowed to voice their opinions and bluntly as they wanted, and I just happened to accidentally find it. As a forum, I thought it could be more controlled (since this isn't quite the vastness of the internet). I would like people to just be cautious of what they write, think about it, and decide if it needs to be put somewhere out of public view.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 04:34:35 am »

It just depends Alec. Somethings might not seem offensive to you, but you're more laid back. Which is fine, please, I'm not trying to offend you. But for people who are more sensitive to such matters it is more offensive. I'm sorry this forum has gotten this far. I didn't mean to start a war, so to speak.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 04:29:22 am »

To sum up what I'm saying: fantasize or don't fantasize. But if you do, keep it out of sight or accidental sight.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 04:25:58 am »

Please, please, please, re-read my posts. I'm not asking for the fantasizing to stop. I would just like it kept it out of view or accidental view of others on the forums. I haven't debased anyone. I wanted to give reasons as to why I felt the way I did so that it would make sense to readers. The content of which I talk about seems to degrade other's opinions, but as I said, I'm not allowed to force any opinion. Which is why I'm not asking anyone to do such.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 04:11:41 am »

Actually, I wasn't talking about the mods in this particular forum. I meant the discussions and topics that abound on the forums. I never tried to force a view. But I wanted to be respected for the alternative view. Instead, I have become the "female" that I knew people would assume me to be. And I did say I knew of some forums that were clearly marked in the titles, but that doesn't mean all of them are. I'm just asking for people to reserve topics farther away from the view of Aquaria fans like myself.

Did you read what I said above about AlphaSoldier's mods? I said they looked good. That's all, I didn't go into what they would be used for, and as long as no one else does then, no, I'm not offended.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 27, 2008, 03:54:15 am »

Eh, nothing wrong with some nudity.

I agree.

But I'm more of the mindset of Draiden right now, because after I've fallen in love with a character and her story, the people she interacts with, and the sympathy you feel for her, it's difficult to contend with others who may place her on a more base level. I know I'm female, I know many will not take me seriously (as I'm crashing the "male party"), but I know I'm not the only person (male or female) on this forum who may feel saddened at the thought of, now, one of my favorite female heroines being depicted in a cruder light. I understand I'm just one opinion. I'm not out to change anyone, I'm just asking people to understand how I (and others) feel about Naija being turned into a sexual creature. I guess what I'm asking is that if you feel the need to talk about Naija sexually, do it off the Aquaria forums where it is easily found and can offend people, or to clearly mark in the future the title of the forum that embodies any of this talk so that some people know to stay clear (which in some cases, these are already marked). Probably not feasible, but I'm just asking. It's hard to ignore these instances when you want to enter a forum and have a conversation regarding gameplay or the story, and another conversation has or is started regarding a topic or comment you didn't want to see. Some of it is not really offensive, but there are some things that are said that do offend fans like myself, and you may not realize it.  However, not to get into a discussion I close the forum and walk away, but it leaves me feeling negative or disappointed. One reason I was happy to play Aquaria (and to me this is a very big reason) was that it was not lewd or offensive to female players in anyway. It was very neutral with no sexual tone. I felt so elated to play a game that was radically different from Tomb Raider and the like. I still want to feel this way about Aquaria as I think it has helped put female characters in a very respectful and beautiful light, however it hasn't lasted long. I'm sure most people will tell me the answer to my problem is to stay off the Aquaria forums, but there's got to be a better answer. Sorry to be the female who raises who voice; I'm sure to anger some people which is not at all what I want to do.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 26, 2008, 10:34:29 pm »

I hope no one thinks it is weird to have the male nude counterpart? After all, I'm a (straight) female and I have no problem with nude images of females, so why should any males be so insecure with seeing other males in the nude? I know jokes are made of it, since male bodies are either seen as comical or masculine, but generally never tend to be thought of as aesthetically pleasing. Both bodies are beautiful, just think Greek. And thank you, Alec, for your support. 

And Alphasoldier, if you're the one to make the mod I have complete faith in it looking fair and very nice looking.  The Naija nude you made was very natural and almost seemed to take on more animal-like traits.

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Modding / Re: Naija sprites

« on: January 26, 2008, 04:53:16 am »

I honestly can't say I'm crazy at all about seeing my favorite character made to be so, well, bare. Nudity doesn't bother me, it's more the context it's in or the motivation for making it. However, I'm not berating anyone for making such mods. But, since there are two genders in this world, and seeing as how the opposite gender never seems to be rendered equally vulnerable, I would like someone to make a nude mod of Li as this would only keep the mod fair for both sexes. It's always unfair that the female sex is undressed so quickly and without a second thought, but that to do so on the male sex is almost forbidden.