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Title: Extract Music?
Post by: lucifon on December 27, 2007, 03:06:06 am
Is there anyway to extract the music from the game out of wonder?

Of course no matter what i'm pretty certain ill be getting the soundtrack.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: De5 on December 27, 2007, 05:20:59 am
If you have some kind of program that can record sounds from your computer, you can record the music with the Jukebox mod.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: tjam on December 28, 2007, 03:21:24 am
Would be easier if we could just get some mp3's  ;)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: dhakkel on December 28, 2007, 05:10:56 am
Yeah, tell me about it. Still waiting for news on the soundtrack, but I'm not sure if they're doing anything with it and I'm losing interest fast :/.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 29, 2007, 04:22:14 am
Yeah, what the hell. I mean its not like it takes time to produce a soundtrack or anything. Or like one of the dudes is on holiday so the other guy can't produce anything. I mean geez, why didn't the game take -1 year to develop (coming out in the past) that would have been great!
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: billyea on December 29, 2007, 04:31:35 am
Yeah, what the hell. I mean its not like it takes time to produce a soundtrack or anything. Or like one of the dudes is on holiday so the other guy can't produce anything. I mean geez, why didn't the game take -1 year to develop (coming out in the past) that would have been great!
Just a question, why does it take 2 people to compile the music. Unless the guy who's missing has the encryption key to the music collection.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: dhakkel on December 29, 2007, 04:34:45 am
1) Would be nice if you let us know that you are actually doing something about it in a normal person way :).
2) If you did already say you were doing that in the soundtrack topic, then yeah sorry but I did keep checking it for a few days after making it and it didn't seem to be getting anywhere, and then I saw this topic without an official response.

Maybe I should say this in a way more similar to you:

yeah what the hell its not like we arent all alec and know whats going on on his side of the computer screen at all times.

actually man i dont even know what the hell you were trying to say in your post. something about people whining about the game? i dont think anyone said anything about the game in this topic.

need to take a vacation imo.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 29, 2007, 04:35:27 am
I'd like to get Derek's help to produce a soundtrack. I'd like him to do art and stuff for the booklet!

And wtf is that about "losing an encryption key". I wrote the music so I have all the original files!
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 29, 2007, 04:39:30 am
actually man i dont even know what the hell you were trying to say in your post. something about people whining about the game? i dont think anyone said anything about the game in this topic.

need to take a vacation imo.

Well I was being humorous, but feel free to hate me if that's what gets you off.

Just don't hate me AND demand that I do things. One or the other, please.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: billyea on December 29, 2007, 04:39:36 am
And wtf is that about "losing an encryption key". I wrote the music so I have all the original files!
Whoops, sorry, I think I need to look over the credits more closely.  :(
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: dhakkel on December 29, 2007, 04:45:12 am
actually man i dont even know what the hell you were trying to say in your post. something about people whining about the game? i dont think anyone said anything about the game in this topic.

need to take a vacation imo.

Well I was being humorous, but feel free to hate me if that's what gets you off.

Just don't hate me AND demand that I do things. One or the other, please.
Well it came across as kind of just pissed-off-with-people-moaning-so-I'll-be-a-jerk-too, like the post over in the difficulty thread. It's kinda hard to be civil when other people don't make the effort!

And no one is demanding anything. People are asking if there is any way to rip the music tracks from the game, and I was wondering if there was any progress on the soundtrack, but that's all. And as far as I can see, neither of those were even answered!

So, yeah, really I'd stop taking things so aggressively. I can understand that you'd be getting pissed off answering the same questions multiple times, and having to answer EVERY official question on your own if Derek is away, but yeah people on the internet are pretty easy to upset and this place'll get even more unpleasant pretty quickly if the people (or person, in this case) in charge responds like that to simple, unoffensive.. well, I want to say requests, but no one even requested anything.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 29, 2007, 04:47:44 am
Meh, if people get easily upset over nothing it ain't my problem. :)

Sounds like you need a vacation from the forums though!  :D
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: dhakkel on December 29, 2007, 04:48:57 am
Yeah, great.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 29, 2007, 05:04:09 am
Yeah, great.

And everyone was friends again.

cough

Aaaaaanyways.

Lemme explain a bit about what's happening with the soundtrack as far as I know. Anyone?

the sound of crickets chirping

Cool, a'ight.

Well I'd like to do a CD release thing. I'm not sure how that would work exactly. We'd have to produce CDs. I'd like to go through all the tracks and clean them up a bit. (minor tweaks, maybe some normalizing) Maybe record a couple special tracks. (a piano-only medley thing?)

Then do a cool lil' booklet with art and liner notes, lyrics for the ending song, etc. (maybe some lil' hidden extra messages written in aquarian and that kind of thing) I'd like to work with Derek with that, because... its nice to work on things with other people.

But I don't know:

A) where to get it printed
B) how to ship it
C) whether its worth the investment (if anyone would really buy it, or if it would just prevent the people who have threatened to kill me if I don't make one from actually killing me)


The other option is some kind of iTunes release, I also know nothing about that.

Aaand I suppose we could release it all for free as well? I dunno. At least in that case I'd know how to do it. :D

Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 29, 2007, 05:08:46 am
But yeah, if someone made an extraction tool for getting the oggs out of the data file, it wouldn't be bother me in the slightest.

Not that I could do anything about it anyways!
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: billyea on December 29, 2007, 05:12:04 am
Sounds great!
Maybe we'll see some awesome remixes by Aquaria fans in the near future! (not that the audio isn't already awesome)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 29, 2007, 05:18:18 am
Yeah, I have to get on that too. People have been asking for bits to resample and I still haven't figured out a good way to do that yet.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 29, 2007, 05:22:26 am
I need a priority list or sommat!

Cause I also started working on the next game a bit...  ::)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: billyea on December 29, 2007, 05:29:17 am
I think you just do what you can for now, and people will be happy. A few bug fixes and polishing up the tracks sounds like a good start. Then Derek will come along and clear up what else needs to be done.
Then again, I wouldn't want to delay the development of the next game.  ^-^

Just a suggestion, but if the soundtrack gets too tedious to do, you could always make an extractor that people can download to pull out the music themselves. And then the Aquaria community can make the soundtrack.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 29, 2007, 06:11:13 am
Yeah, I'd like to do it.

Right now the top priorities are probably supporting the PC version finishing the Mac version.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: IceD on December 29, 2007, 10:40:46 am
Yeah, We'll wait for the soundtrack  ;)

I'm just curious about one thing - if I can ask, of course. What program did you use to create music for Aquaria, Alec? You've made such a beautiful and outstanding work, and if not the music the game would look (and propably fell) quite different. I'm just asking because I started to learn about music tracking (I prefer making mods in future - less space, more useful in games), but nothing will ever replace realistically composed music  ::)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: tjam on December 30, 2007, 02:03:57 am
Yeah, what the hell. I mean its not like it takes time to produce a soundtrack or anything. Or like one of the dudes is on holiday so the other guy can't produce anything. I mean geez, why didn't the game take -1 year to develop (coming out in the past) that would have been great!

Hey hey hey, chill mate.  :P We love your work and would like to be able to enjoy your music outside the game.

Btw, my opinion would be to skip itunes. Anything but itunes...  :'(
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: dhakkel on December 30, 2007, 03:05:16 am
Don't worry man, he was just having fun!
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 30, 2007, 04:33:25 am
All's fair in love and game development.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Xiagan on December 30, 2007, 11:40:12 am
I need a priority list or sommat!

Cause I also started working on the next game a bit...  ::)
Made your looong Nap already? If not, put it on your priority-list too. ;)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: barret232hxc on December 30, 2007, 04:12:34 pm
damn it's true what they say.  People are never satisfied, you give them something amazing and they just ask for more , more, more. and more.

If they want a soundtrack they should just get the jukebox mod and enjoy the beautiful soundtrack that way. I have my speakers hooked up to my surround system and it's a very enjoyable listening experience.

I mean I know you guys are gods but even the great gods need some room to breathe.  You seem be getting alot of prayers hahah

I guess I can understand people wanting a soundtrack but damn ,  you guys just put in 2 yrs work and people are still unsatisfied. I sometimes wonder where society is heading these days.  I am very very appreciative of the time , passion , and dedication put into the game :) :) :) :)  i love the smileys on this forum
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: IceD on December 30, 2007, 04:20:26 pm
As for me, I will just wait patiently for the soundtrack, and if it'll be released - I'm going to get it. If not, well - there's always the jukebox mod  ;)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: dhakkel on December 30, 2007, 04:37:55 pm
damn it's true what they say.  People are never satisfied, you give them something amazing and they just ask for more , more, more. and more.

If they want a soundtrack they should just get the jukebox mod and enjoy the beautiful soundtrack that way. I have my speakers hooked up to my surround system and it's a very enjoyable listening experience.

I mean I know you guys are gods but even the great gods need some room to breathe.  You seem be getting alot of prayers hahah

I guess I can understand people wanting a soundtrack but damn ,  you guys just put in 2 yrs work and people are still unsatisfied. I sometimes wonder where society is heading these days.  I am very very appreciative of the time , passion , and dedication put into the game :) :) :) :)  i love the smileys on this forum
yeah because asking if a soundtrack is in the works or not is saying "give us the god damn soundtrack already we are very unsatisfied"

yea ok
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Zixinus on December 30, 2007, 11:05:48 pm
Quick note: Gameextractor can't seem to be able to open the data.000 file. If that can't open it, I don't know what would.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: [ ] on December 31, 2007, 03:53:24 am
Have you considered lulu.com? They're pretty decent on the self publishing thing and would take care of a digital download type approach. If you're set on going for actual cd's i do believe mp3.com USED TO have options but im not sure if they do it anymore. I'd also give a look at cafepress although that might limit the profit margin a chunk. personally i'd love to see it on lulu.

As a side question: while its not out yet: would guy guys be interested in including remixes on the soundtrack? Or what is your policy regarding remixes in general?

Thanks a ton, good luck ith everything ^^
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on December 31, 2007, 04:09:51 am
Remixing is great. I say go for it. :)

Might be cool to make a separate remix collection album thing.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: emphyrio on December 31, 2007, 04:33:05 pm
Just curious , what  quality did you use for the music  ? (bit rate, compression)


Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: lucifon on January 01, 2008, 06:24:48 pm
Wow I havent checked on my post until today to see it being 3 pages long.


As i said i was merely asking if its possible to extract the music - not about the soundtrack :)

Yeah the problem with the jukebox mod is that it requires aquaria being open and selected to run it. By that i mean i cant sit on MSN browsing the internet etc whilst listening to the fantastic Aquaria music. I would have no major reason to sit there with Aquaria open with the music playing unless I was working - but saying that, i do most my work on the computer on a word processor therefore that wouldnt work either :( If Aquaria could somehow have some form of sound whilst unselected option then that would be fantastic. I know many games have it by default and WoW has it on the options. Would something like that be achievable by the modders behind Jukebox itself?
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Kdansky on January 01, 2008, 08:30:33 pm
Things that bother me about Soundtracks:

- I already bought the game, why should I pay twice for the sound? "Support the Indie games blablabla", it's still a valid question.
- If the game was a download, why should the soundtrack be a CD? (limited space, will be converted to .ogg/flac/mp3 anyway, an audio CD is an inconvenient medium for me anway)

If you want extra money, why don't you just release it like the game? Passworded zip file, pay by the same methods as the full game itself. Afraid of it hitting the P2P? Guess what, that will happen anyway if it's popular enough. Printing CDs and Booklets (who reads these anyway?) is expensive, complicated, cuts badly into your margins (how much does an artist get anyway? AFAIK iTunes charges 30% to the big ones like BGM, and certainly more for small companies (50%? 75%?) and rumours go as low as 99% taken away by BGM & Co. for CDs. That's what I call parasite.)
 
Sooner or later there will be an easy way to extract the soundtrack / rip it off the soundcard. I mean, if it's processed, it can be written down. Same with stupid DRM + burn to CD + rip from CD. Complicated, but DRM can never work (in it's current form).

And no, it's not about money, it's about principles. I dislike Audio CDs and I hate DRM.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Zixinus on January 01, 2008, 08:49:12 pm
I'm with Kdansky here. Printing it out on CDs would be more difficult and there is no way to properly protect music. Principles go only so far.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: IceD on January 01, 2008, 09:45:06 pm
Yeah the problem with the jukebox mod is that it requires aquaria being open and selected to run it. By that i mean i cant sit on MSN browsing the internet etc whilst listening to the fantastic Aquaria music. I would have no major reason to sit there with Aquaria open with the music playing unless I was working - but saying that, i do most my work on the computer on a word processor therefore that wouldnt work either :( If Aquaria could somehow have some form of sound whilst unselected option then that would be fantastic. I know many games have it by default and WoW has it on the options. Would something like that be achievable by the modders behind Jukebox itself?

I think it's possible to use Aquaria's modding tools + some good programming skills to create a stand-alone application integrated with the game, so it would play the music from it without running the game (some sort of a music player). But this would require a perfect knowledge about the game and it's data. Or maybe I'm wrong about the LUA scripting, coz it has few glitches like everything. But back to this, I would say it was a great job to use LUA in the game - it gives so much freedom and accessability to the game itself  :)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Llama on January 02, 2008, 04:24:25 am
think like orgview for cave story (i think that was mentioned in the favorite free games thread)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: bungiefan on January 02, 2008, 12:29:37 pm
Yeah, great.
But I don't know:

A) where to get it printed
B) how to ship it
C) whether its worth the investment (if anyone would really buy it, or if it would just prevent the people who have threatened to kill me if I don't make one from actually killing me)

A group of people on OverClocked Remix had a couple albums produced (Project Majestic Mix and SquareDance are the ones I know). There might be some information on their forums. I found it funny when a group of my friends ordered the albums though, as the place that produced them was in my city (in ALASKA of all places), and when he read the shipping address he said he'd skip charging us for shipping and just drive them over to us.

http://www.majesticmix.com/

That's the place they used, by the way, KFSS Studios.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Dozin on January 02, 2008, 02:08:22 pm
I ripped 4 songs from the game by recording from Dolphin's Cry's Jukebox Mod.

They're not perfect quality, but here they are if anyone wants them:

Arboreal - [link removed]
Light - [link removed]
Moment - [link removed]
Superfly Remix - [link removed]

edited 1/06/08:
Unshared and removed songs. Sorry :-[
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: IceD on January 02, 2008, 03:45:06 pm
I ripped 4 songs from the game by recording from Dolphin's Cry's Jukebox Mod.

They're not perfect quality, but here they are if anyone wants them:

Arboreal - http://www.mediafire.com/?1sscfmgzjjy
Light - http://www.mediafire.com/?1vjwzxbeh2v
Moment - http://www.mediafire.com/?e1bilamkxzm
Superfly Remix - http://www.mediafire.com/?6hz4bbmnmfb

Wow, great job Dozin! Finally, I can listen to the aquaria music while working, and those few are one of my favourite tracks! And the quality isn't that bad after all, although it would be nice to hear them in 320 kbps  :), since I'm a sound maniac  :D
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Danger Mouse on January 03, 2008, 06:55:33 pm
I definitely agree with kdansky on all points mentioned.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on January 04, 2008, 12:36:52 am
I don't think releasing the music on CD would be the only way we'd release it. Its just one way I'd like to release it because I like to collect physical stuff from games, so for me it'd be more about the packaging and the selection of tracks. (I'd put some different versions of certain songs on there and probably a couple new ones, maybe some piano versions as well)

If someone found a way to rip the music out of the game it wouldn't bother me. I don't personally know how to, though.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Zam on January 04, 2008, 12:38:17 am
Excellent, thanks.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Danger Mouse on January 04, 2008, 05:16:46 am
Keep us posted on any updates!  ;D
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: IceD on January 04, 2008, 12:47:43 pm
I'm just experimenting with some stuff and programs to try to rip the music, though it's a hard work. I'm also trying to understand the game mechanics, so there would be an ability to create a stand-alone music player for Aquaria, but what I already discovered is this would require some hard coding  ::) But I rather still like to buy the soundtrack CD or the audio files and download them directly from the net ;)

Btw, Dozin - what program do you used to rip the music? I tried some of them, but nearly all recorded only from the "wave in" input, not from the wave out, which is required to "grab" the sound, for example from the game. I searched the net, but it seems there aren't any programs to do so, even if they tell they "can" grab sound from applications (which is humbug, you cannot record sound from app when using wave in, it requires the sound to be recorded directly from soundcard, when it's processed).
 
Darn, I'm soo confused with all this stuff  :o
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: dhakkel on January 04, 2008, 12:50:54 pm
There are a ton of programs that can record "what-u-hear".

Unfortunately I haven't been able to get any to work on this PC, but I had then working on my old PC just fine.

Here's an endless loop of Kelp Forest, in swf version (no video, just audio):
http://mods.whahay.net/Jester/SWFs/kelp.swf
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: OnlineOrdering on January 05, 2008, 03:00:37 am
Wow thanks man. That endless loop one is nice.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: dhakkel on January 05, 2008, 03:21:20 am
http://mods.whahay.net/Jester/SWFs/light.swf

Light, too. I didn't do the others because I didn't like them as much :D.

If you rip any more, Dozin, let me know. The Open Waters one is cool (but I'll feel stupid if that's Light or something, it's been a week or two since I played).
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: loke on January 05, 2008, 08:00:33 am
there seems to be a torrent floating around containing the aquaria soundtrack :o
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on January 05, 2008, 08:07:37 am
Hrm, if people ripped it by recording the audio from the game, then its going to be kinda crap quality.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: IceD on January 05, 2008, 10:18:38 am
Well, it seems that somebody has already done this  :o. And it's rather good-to-listen quality,if not really high. Oh well...

If you are going to release a real soundtrack CD, I'm willing to buy it, too  :)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: dhakkel on January 05, 2008, 11:20:55 am
Hrm, if people ripped it by recording the audio from the game, then its going to be kinda crap quality.
Well, it beats not being able to listen to it without running Aquaria at all.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: IceD on January 05, 2008, 11:36:36 am
It's seems that someone extracted them from the game data file. I've just downloaded to find out how it sounds, and I have to admit that somebody made quite good work - 192 kbps in VBR. Anyways, the game's soundtrack quality with relative small size makes this music perfect for mp3 and portable players  :) It's nice to hear those tracks finally outside the game...

Although I personally don't support this kind of doings, I also understand people. If somebody has done this it's all because he couldn't live without this music  :D
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Xenonym on January 05, 2008, 03:04:22 pm
Hmm... if it is recorded then encoding it to 192kbps VBR will just lessen the quality damage. Besides, it's not easy to tell the difference.

Also I remember it was in OGG format,  so I kill him if transcoding was involved.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: luciferin on January 05, 2008, 08:17:58 pm
It looks like the music was recorded during play.  44,1 KHz 16 bit 220 kbps VBR Joint Stereo MP3 according to the site.  Certainly not the best, but enough until I can buy a CD from you, Alec.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: luciferin on January 05, 2008, 08:31:22 pm
Er, I'm not quite sure how Alec would feel about a link.  He said he's alright with it being out there but I don't want to cause any trouble.  Just google what you're looking for, very easy to find actually.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Danger Mouse on January 05, 2008, 08:47:32 pm
why not just ask them if it's ok to link? What  do you think Alec?
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on January 05, 2008, 09:51:28 pm
Um... you want me to allow posting torrent links to pirated content?

I'd rather you guys had the patience to wait for me to put together my official soundtrack and all that. (creative control, whee)

I mean... I can't stop you from doing whatever you do on your own time. But asking me to provide you with torrent links seems messed up.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: luciferin on January 05, 2008, 10:02:14 pm
That's what I figured.
I'm certainly going to be waiting for your official soundtrack.  I actually have been making a habit of collecting game soundtracks, especially when they have extra content.  Please keep us updated with whatever information you can though; I realize good things do take time.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Danger Mouse on January 05, 2008, 10:08:28 pm
I'm definetely up to waiting, but I'm not going to pay for music that I have already paid for.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: luciferin on January 05, 2008, 10:20:04 pm
I'm definetely up to waiting, but I'm not going to pay for music that I have already paid for.
Arg.  I see why you get so frustrated Alec.  I'm going now.

For the record, if you put it out I at least will buy it, for whatever that knowledge is worth to you.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on January 05, 2008, 10:22:09 pm
Again, if someone made an app that could extract stuff from data.000, I'd be cool with that.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Danger Mouse on January 05, 2008, 10:38:14 pm
It would help if we knew how it was packed to a .000 and I wouldn't have tried this without permission anyways.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on January 05, 2008, 10:42:10 pm
I don't think anyone ever said it'd be particularly easy.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Danger Mouse on January 06, 2008, 01:56:19 am
I'm not into torrents for a couple of reasons:

1. Most torrents are for illegal material.

2. So many people I know that do use them end up with some new virus or trojan that has been rediculously difficult to remove.

I'd much rather wait for a release from blit-blot, or get permission to extract them myself for personal use only.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: luciferin on January 06, 2008, 04:55:44 am
Alec, not sure if you are willing to answer this, but is their any sort of compression/encryption on data.000?  You don't have to tell me what it is of course, just if it exists before I spend time trying to figure something out and bang my head against the wall in frustration.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on January 06, 2008, 05:52:19 am
Yeah, I think it has encryption on it? I can double check next time I'm in windows. So it might be brutal. :)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: billyea on January 06, 2008, 10:28:57 am
I see a zlib library so there's probably gzip compression on it too.
Just a guess.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: DragonXVI on January 07, 2008, 03:18:05 pm
Yep, good ol' ZLib Compression, you'll see it on a few games

http://www.zlib.net/

What you'd probably have to do is write a program that uses the zlib.library to extract all the files from data.000
I suspect there may be some out there to be honest, but I've not used zlib before so I'm not sure if there's special encryption or what not involved...

Also, somebody asked what Alec uses for making the music in the game.  If I'm not mistaken it's  FL Studio (http://www.flstudio.com/) - I'd recognise FL Slayer anywhere... :D

Reguards the Soundtrack: While I'd love a nice little booklet with a nice little CD and all that, I wouldn't be heartbroken if all I got were mp3s/oggs since at the end of the day that's what I'll rip'em too anyway.  You *could* sell 'em this is true (via iTunes or whathaveyou), or just upload 'em and people could pick and choose - It's pretty much up to the guy who created them, since you're the one with the copyright :P
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: megablake on January 08, 2008, 04:01:06 am
I wouldn't worry about the soundtrack torrents out there.  People who download it will be either folks who never intended to buy it, or folks who couldn't wait and don't have the technical expertise to even look at a game data file.  The second category will no doubt go out of there way get the soundtrack in a format that supports the artists.

Personally, I vouch for a free download of the soundtrack, with the paid version containing extras (tabs & notation, early versions of the songs, maybe some separated sound files of Jenna, and a remix or two).  Why do I suggest this?  Only because I really want OverClocked Remix to get their hands on the soundtrack so they could put together an Aquaria-themed remix album (like they've done before for a number of other game soundtracks).

The more people hear this amazing game music, the more people will follow the links back and buy the game.  Then those people are happy ('cause they played Aquaria and are a better person for it), the creators are happy ('cause they can get mad bling), and I'm happy ('cause someone did a hard metal version of the Abyss theme.  Hey, I can dream.)

That said, the Abyss theme is currently set to my alarm clock.  I love to let it loop.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Glamador on January 08, 2008, 07:54:36 am
Hmm...I suppose if I listened to music I would take the time to extract these.  But I've never really understood the purpose of soundtracks.  I mean, you've already purchased the game, and all the sounds are in there.  The way I see it, I've already purchased the songs, I don't need to pay for a formalized listing of them.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: tulkas on January 08, 2008, 01:23:26 pm
Yep, good ol' ZLib Compression, you'll see it on a few games

http://www.zlib.net/

What you'd probably have to do is write a program that uses the zlib.library to extract all the files from data.000
I suspect there may be some out there to be honest, but I've not used zlib before so I'm not sure if there's special encryption or what not involved...

I think that the zlib compression is used for save game files and their screenshots.

I have written a small app that attempted to open the data file using the zlib library.  It didn't work with the data file, I even tried to open the data file at different offsets (also without the stream header.)

I also ran some statistics on the data file, it seems that the data file is at least deliberately randomized (if not encrypted.)  The file contains almost equal counts of all characters in the ascii set (0.02% maximum difference.)  That does not happen even when compression is used (.bz2 compression has maximum difference around 0.15%, zip has 0.3% and an average mp3 file has 0.5% for comparable file sizes.)

I also figured out some information about the structure of the data file.  The "random" content starts at byte 17.  The first 16 bytes of the data file is the header.  The first 4 bytes of the header hold the file size, the further 12 bytes seem static between different data files.

Hope this information helps someone.   :)

Also, I want to say that this game is one of the best games that I've ever played.  :)


Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: ryos on January 09, 2008, 08:26:23 am
Hey Alec,

Here are links to two services for distribution of self-produced music, one for iTunes and the other from Amazon. I am not a musician, but these both look like excellent services.

TuneCore (http://www.tunecore.com/) (for iTunes)
Amazon CreateSpace (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=15015781)

TuneCore will get your music on iTunes for what looks to me like a nominal fee. Amazon CreateSpace will manufacture physical CDs (and DVDs and books and who knows what else) for you whenever people buy them, and it also looks like you can get your music on the Amazon MP3 store.

You could also pay for professional duplication, but that seems less attractive to me for three reasons:
1) You incur an out-of-pocket expense of a few thousand dollars (depending of course on the size of your run),
2) You have to mess with warehousing (a bunch of boxes in your residence), order fulfillment, and customer support - what a mess!
3) Whenever you run out of stock, you need to order more prints.

Finally, you could just sell MP3 files direct on your web site. Peter Breinholt does this, and as a customer I think it's great and wish him well. You would get more money from these sales since Amazon/Apple wouldn't be taking their cut. You may or may not get as many sales this way, but it's probably worth doing just because you'd get more money from each sale.

Actually, you could do all three of those. Why not, eh? :)

Anyway, I know you didn't actually ask for this, but you did kind of beg the question. May you find these links useful in your quest to produce a soundtrack, which I'm probably going to buy (but not until after I beat the game, and I'm waiting for the Mac version. So, uh, take your time on releasing the soundtrack ;) ).
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: bungiefan on January 17, 2008, 06:18:10 pm
2. So many people I know that do use them end up with some new virus or trojan that has been rediculously difficult to remove.

That's why you use torrents linked to a forum. That way there's feedback on the torrent, and if there is a virus in the files, it will be reported on the forum topic you download the torrent from, and the site admins will remove the torrent from the site and tracker. You also run a scan on the files as soon as they're assembled before you execute them, if you actually chance it being one of the first people to download a torrent. There's plenty of benefits to using the protocol for file distribution, and linking to forums for feedback and comments keeps the downsides to a minimum.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Kdansky on January 20, 2008, 06:27:12 pm
The mentioned torrent is probably distributed by someone affiliated with Aquaria, as it contains low quality songs and most of them end in the middle. Not so useful.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on January 20, 2008, 07:30:37 pm
No, whoever made it had to record the music from the game. Some track titles are also wrong.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: dheeraj_kumar on January 22, 2008, 03:30:50 pm
Alec, you could do a remix album kind of thing...

For example, take Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time for example - it had the Lost Woods music/Saria's Song and people absolutely loved that. and Kenji Kondo(the composer) came up with a remixed Saria's Song and it was waaaay more popular than the original. One could listen to the song all day long and get never bored with it. you could do something like that... Im sure Aquaria would sound equally good, if not better in a remix.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alphasoldier on January 22, 2008, 07:39:42 pm
There already is a superfly remix, check the jubebox mod thread.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on January 22, 2008, 07:42:56 pm
Alec, you could do a remix album kind of thing...

For example, take Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time for example - it had the Lost Woods music/Saria's Song and people absolutely loved that. and Kenji Kondo(the composer) came up with a remixed Saria's Song and it was waaaay more popular than the original. One could listen to the song all day long and get never bored with it. you could do something like that... Im sure Aquaria would sound equally good, if not better in a remix.

Yeah, that'd be cool! :D

I'd like to do a piano arrangement as well.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: ponzicar on February 02, 2008, 12:06:37 pm
My suggestion is to put the in game music up on the website (either only for people who bought the full version, or to everyone).  Then, depending on your time and people's interest in it,  maybe make and  sell an album that has higher quality, remixed, and expanded versions of the tracks. That way people will be able to listen now without starting up Aquaria and leaving it in an active window, and you'll have a project that can maybe bring in a few extra dollars.

I don't know how that sounds from your end of things, but I think that would be a way do both the free download option and the soundtrack for sale option.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: inkblob on February 03, 2008, 09:54:07 am
torrents are probably one of the safest ways to get stuff. I've never really heard of someone getting infected by a well seeded torrent, like bungiefan said, it just wouldn't be seeded then. once I saw an episode of smallville being posted a week before it was supposed to come out and looked into the file list, wouldn't you know it was an exe not an avi.  there's going to be people trying to exploit it but the herd is pretty good at looking out for each other in this instance.

Alec, you rawk, very generous and cool about your music.  hope in time there is a soundtrack and it sells famously for you  :)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Zeuter on February 24, 2008, 02:11:28 am
http://www.last.fm/music/Alec+Holowka

Seems like you got pretty popular on last.fm, even with an unreleased soundtrack. :]
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on February 24, 2008, 03:54:22 am
http://www.last.fm/music/Alec+Holowka

Seems like you got pretty popular on last.fm, even with an unreleased soundtrack. :]

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2272/2286203449_ea11b8611f.jpg?v=0) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67592629@N00/2286203449/in/set-72157603937746749/)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Xiagan on February 24, 2008, 12:08:31 pm
Haha, that is incredible!
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Glamador on February 26, 2008, 06:56:09 pm
I won't lie.  That Alec's face superimposed on Naija's head picture as your avatar on last.fm....seriously creepin' me out.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: ImpossibleFFS on March 03, 2008, 09:51:46 pm
Yeah about Last.FM they're starting up a royalty program for artists in any degree.
It's based on each full transmission of a song and if you become really really popular it's probably still on something like
$0.005.

Still if you would release the soundtrack in CD format I would buy it asap.(Maybe with a art booklet and maybe with the game?)

Best wishes Jonas

PS. Can't wait until you release another epic game  ;) DS.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Panzergeist on March 04, 2008, 10:40:07 am
It's nice to know that even today there are people that will talk about things in complete ingorance and still believe they're correct on the subject. (Re: Torrents)

Also, really, seriously could we talk about remixes and piano arrangements and suchforth after the regular soundtrack is released, please? Words do not convey how much i've been wanting to hear the music for this game. Not to mention how much i absolutely loathe having to open up the game to listen to the music.  And it can't even be minimized so i can still hear it while i play, oh, WoW. I love the music in this game, but i want a more effecient way to listen to it already.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alec on March 04, 2008, 10:43:54 am
We're working on a release right now, but I want to make sure it kicks ass before we put it out.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Panzergeist on March 04, 2008, 11:57:58 am
I expect little else (http://xs114.xs.to/xs114/07150/emo-colbert.gif)

Thus back to lurking patiently, watching your every move until the glorious, delicious soundtrack is released to the masses, whereupon i will devour it at full force and maximum speed and effeciency.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Zam on March 04, 2008, 03:40:09 pm
Heel yeah.


This will (hopefully) tide me over until the mac version is released :P
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Alphasoldier on March 04, 2008, 04:59:54 pm
Now that's what I wanted to hear!
Awesome, Alec!
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: bman654 on April 23, 2008, 08:20:10 am
Please include the intro music that is part of "naija_intro-music.ogg" and also the piano music that is part of "eric.ogg".

Both those tunes are my faves.  I really like Prelude, Lucien, Open Waters, Open Waters 3, Hope of Winter and a few others.

I really look forward to the OST release  :)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Vetehinen on May 06, 2008, 11:54:57 am
I can only joy while reading these posts. The music of the Aquaria is really something to wonder about. When i first started to play, the beautiful music in the menu was enough to convince me that this game was totally worth of its price.  Generally, music in Aquaria succeeds to create the atmosphere of the underwater world; it is relaxing, mysterious and simply touching. I can hardly imagine any fitting music for this game. Congratulations to the makers!  ^-^

Soundtrack would be the obvious choice for me, or mp3 -files. With some extra-music (piano!), like You suggested, it would be a success. There are many nice melodies in Aquaria, and i usually travel from place to place just to listen those (in game, of course).

However, i have noticed that listening too much the music you like will spoil (or harm) the actual game-experience. The music unique to some place, or event, won´t feel exotic anymore; you just get fed up with it. That´s my problem, because i can´t just stop listening good music ( The Jukebox-mod is too much for me).  :P  I hope i won´t ruin my Aquaria-experience. Maybe i should complete the game first...

I had to say something,  though you guys have mostly said eveything needed.


(And i should practice to write more in English too...geez, haven´t done this for years...)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: na3 on June 08, 2008, 03:39:45 pm
I just want to add a big thumbs up for an official release of the soundtrack. I don't normally listen to the sound on computer games, but as soon as I heard the lovely intros I got hooked. I now miss playing the game because I don't hear the music!

The graphics, gameplay, etc. is all wonderful, but the soundtrack is the best. I am hooked on the one that plays in the Sun Temple.

I'd be happy to pay for an official CD... or an MP3. - But it'd be nice to have it for free too  ;)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: szevvy on January 06, 2009, 01:55:51 pm
Again, if someone made an app that could extract stuff from data.000, I'd be cool with that.

Sorry for the necro on this topic, but is this still true?

edit:  Argh, never mind - it seems data.000 no longer exists and everything comes unpacked.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Stalfos on January 06, 2009, 03:01:34 pm
To help you guys being patient, check that folder on your computer...  C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\aquaria\mus
All OGG file are there... for you to add them to itunes!

Instruction are simple: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Using_iTunes/Ogg_in_iTunes
File to download : http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/download.html

Edit : I strongly discourage MP3 conversion... I did a quick batch convert on Adobe audition, and the result where pretty bad in quality... keep the original format if possible!... and wait for the official OST release for an MP3 version!
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Align on January 06, 2009, 03:55:04 pm
That's what I used, but their lack of numbering and looping bothered me, so here's...
A .rar with the music (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CF4BMN3I)
sorted, looped, but standard quality (mp3, same kbps and Hz as the .ogg files)

But please tell me if I'm doing something wrong, here!
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: inkblob on January 06, 2009, 05:19:23 pm
I remember the Oggvorbis server that orbited the OpenNap outerrims of the Napaverse, like some weird moon where you could only share special, rarified .ogg files. a utopian orb of plenty. always makes me happy to see .ogg files popping up  :)
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Stalfos on January 06, 2009, 06:16:26 pm
That's what I used, but their lack of numbering and looping bothered me, so here's...
A .rar with the music (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CF4BMN3I)
sorted, looped, but standard quality (mp3, same kbps and Hz as the .ogg files)

But please tell me if I'm doing something wrong, here!
The quality is pretty incredible... I might have to check what went wrong, because when I checked the MP3 I had converted (fly away especially) it sounded distorted... and I didn't resampled the Hz and bps either! :S

Anyway, thanks.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: MedO on January 06, 2009, 11:29:33 pm
I don't know why you'd want to transcode these files (except for playing them on a portable player). Most of the useful software players have Ogg Vorbis support these days, so it should make no difference whether you feed them .ogg or .mp3, and transcoding will only degrade the quality.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Align on January 06, 2009, 11:48:58 pm
I figured it was safest to go with the most compatible filetype. Almost chose .zip instead of .rar, too, but was more sure of that than .ogg vs .mp3
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: szevvy on January 07, 2009, 01:24:03 am
That's what I used, but their lack of numbering and looping bothered me, so here's...
A .rar with the music (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CF4BMN3I)
sorted, looped, but standard quality (mp3, same kbps and Hz as the .ogg files)

But please tell me if I'm doing something wrong, here!

You mean a rar with the copyrighted music from the full version? tsk tsk.
Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: imike24 on January 15, 2009, 04:51:05 pm
Winzip is more better.
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Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Xiagan on January 15, 2009, 04:53:19 pm
Winzip is more better.
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Title: Re: Extract Music?
Post by: Zam on January 15, 2009, 05:29:32 pm
good god that is a smart spambot
Title: Re: Extract Music?
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Title: Re: Extract Music?
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Title: Re: Extract Music?
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