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Aquaria => Gameplay => Topic started by: See.Blue on February 01, 2009, 07:09:08 pm
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So to cut to the point, is there any trick or way to handle the 3rd form (bug in dark maze) of the creator without the Dumbo Octopus AND without the sun form? Reason being for this is if this were possible, in theory I'm pretty sure using 1.0 it would be possible to speed run skipping all of Mithalas AND the Veil (Path being: Home Waters, Energy Temple, Open Waters, Kelp Forest, Fish Form, Nature Form, Abyss [in the dark. Like I said this is purely theoretical], Body) making for a potentially crazy time. This would obviously be very glitch dependant (Body entrance, probably cooking) but given the ruling at Speed Demos Archive would be acceptable to the community there. Creator 3rd is the only real problem standing in the way of that. So, any tips?
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If you mean the lobster like version of him then there is no way that you can defeat him without light as that is his weakness.
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You'll need the Veil for Li anyway.
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You'll need the Veil for Li anyway.
No. If you use the tentacle glitch you can get by into the body without ever going to the sunken city and once youre into the body, Li will magically appear in his bubble
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Ah, and then he comes with you as if nothing strange happened? Nice.
Perhaps I remember wrong, but isn't that form weak to getting shot in the eye rather than to sun form?
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You have to flash his eye with Sun Form before it become susceptible to attack.
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Oh well, what with the darkness I never saw it.
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You definitely need the sun form for the 5th stage of the final boss, but I'm pretty sure you don't need it for the 3rd stage guys. I've blindly hit him a couple times as he charges with pincers open just spamming energy shots.
Anyway it's moot because, as said, you definitely need it for the 5th (final) stage of the boss.
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You definitely need the sun form for the 5th stage of the final boss, but I'm pretty sure you don't need it for the 3rd stage guys. I've blindly hit him a couple times as he charges with pincers open just spamming energy shots.
Anyway it's moot because, as said, you definitely need it for the 5th (final) stage of the boss.
Ah yeah good call. I knew that looked too clean
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You can at least trim Mithalas out of your speed run. As far as I can tell Beast isn't required for anything, you don't need it to get Sun form.
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Beast form is required for the Golem boss.
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You don't have to do the golem if you're glitching your way into The Body do you?
In a normal game though you're right. I'd forgotten that.
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You could have skipped the Golem boss (and therefore beast form) in v. 1.0.0, but the Tongue glitch has been fixed. It's now impossible to glitch past the door.
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Any way a speed run cuting out some of the areas is a false result, it's like cutting out half the course in a marathon, if you did it how could you compare your result to someone who faced all of the areas and the important bosses. :)
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You could have skipped the Golem boss (and therefore beast form) in v. 1.0.0, but the Tongue glitch has been fixed. It's now impossible to glitch past the door.
I think the original post mentioned doing it in 1.0.
Any way a speed run cuting out some of the areas is a false result, it's like cutting out half the course in a marathon, if you did it how could you compare your result to someone who faced all of the areas and the important bosses. :)
I agree, but apparently it's within the guidelines set down by the website See.Blue is looking at. I'm just trying to help out of academic interest. :)
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Well I don't see the point, but if they say yes then it's up to the players. Myself (if I felt like trying a speedrun, which I don't) I will do it in my slow and steady explorer fashion :D
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lol Speed run to 100% (except parts of the Veil) white map.
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You can at least trim Mithalas out of your speed run. As far as I can tell Beast isn't required for anything, you don't need it to get Sun form.
The only way to get to the veil/sun temple without Beast Form is with Ekkrit bumping you there. Not very speedy, though. ;)
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Myself (if I felt like trying a speedrun, which I don't) I will do it in my slow and steady explorer fashion :D
Haha sounds very speedy. This thread was started out of an academic interest (and maybe potential for a speed run at a later date). While I agree with you that using the very abusable 1.0.0 version isn't necessarily the truest to the spirit or intent of the game, speed-running is about one thing, speed (within certain ethical guidelines). Yes skipping all of the Sunken City for example is not-so-cool from a gameplay perspective but the whole point of running is to complete as fast as possible. I'm sure anyone who would even consider attempting a run has spent many hours exploring every nook and cranny, but a speed run is different. Unlike normal gameplay, barring out and out cheating, a speed run is not a state function; how you get there doesn't matter. Speed does. (And come on, a dark abyss run should totally make up for skipping sunken city in terms of net awesomeness of the final product ;))
As was pointed out earlier though Form 5 requires sun-form so the path for this particular low-% run has already been proved impossible.
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The only way to get to the veil/sun temple without Beast Form is with Ekkrit bumping you there. Not very speedy, though. ;)
It's a hell of a lot faster than getting beast form! :)
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Is it possible to either briar-rocket or penis-missile in?
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I thought you had to be in the air to do that...
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Nah it's doable under water but it's not quite as fast/dramatic. I just wonder if you can beat the Veil currents with it.
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Nah it's doable under water but it's not quite as fast/dramatic. I just wonder if you can beat the Veil currents with it.
That would take some aiming because where are you going to place the stone so it's close enough and in direct line of the current?
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Dunno, I'm sure there's an outcropping somewhere to start it off of. The ability to go up-current is the limiting factor here
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and the phalus rocket might run out of steam before it got to the current, or not have enough strength left?
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About speed runs: If you think this is exploitative, check out some tool-assisted speedruns, where they play games fram by frame. Who would have known that you can technically wall-jump in Super Mario Brothers 1? :o Some people really dislike the more "cheaty" speed runs, but I find them entertaining in their own ways.
Anyway, since it looks like you have to get Sun Form, could you rocket up to the roof of the Sun Worm dome and go straight to the boss fight through there, or is that the part of the Veil without any rocks to rocket with? Can't wait to see how this turns out, if you end up doing it!
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It works. You can get Veil early with briar missile. See new topic
Edited.
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Please refrain from saying that in the open, even IF it's not such a foul word, briar rocketing works just fine.
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Anyway, since it looks like you have to get Sun Form, could you rocket up to the roof of the Sun Worm dome and go straight to the boss fight through there, or is that the part of the Veil without any rocks to rocket with? Can't wait to see how this turns out, if you end up doing it!
I'm afraid that's the one place in the Veil without rocks - seems as though Alec, knowing that someone would discover the cheat, decided to discourage it. (probably because of the hidden memory at the top of the Veil.)
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I personally haven't tried it but can you use nature form to briar-rocket from the upper Ruhk nest?
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Not the one on the far right because there aren't any rocks you can use unfortunately and I think that was quite intentional :(