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So, once I finished the game, I started digging around inside its files.  (On a Mac, you can do this by right-clicking the app, and selecting "Show Package Contents".)  Among other things, you can learn that the son of Naija and Li is named Lucien, and the female character that looks similar to Naija, seen sleeping in Naija's home in the (second) ending sequence, is Lucien's girlfriend (her graphics are filed under "luciengf").

A few interesting things I found...

First, the ghost boy in the sunken city is referred to as "CC".  His graphics and scripts are filed under "cc", and there's a "cc_cat", "cc_father", "cc_mother", etc, all of which are used in the city.  (Apparently the woman who likes flowers is "cc_gf" -- CC's girlfriend?  He seemed a bit young for that, but I guess I had crushes on girls in elementary school. :) )  I'm not sure if that stands for "creator child", or "city child", or if it's really a name...

Second, there's a set of graphics for an entity (enemy?) that was, I think, never actually used in the game.  It's called Aleph.  Aleph, of course, is the Hebrew letter A.  The Aleph graphics include the Aquarian letter A inscribed on the forehead of a stone face somewhat similar to Creator's.  The Aquarian A is also what appears over song-form Naija any time you sing the full Verse* (the song that the mother is singing in the sunken city, that you have to sing to open the last door there).  If you hunt hard enough (clever usage of the grep command!) you can find that the only place Aleph is mentioned in the scripting for the game is as something that would be spawned by the final form of the creator -- except that the line of code that does that is commented out.

* The creator mentions at the end that his mother's song permeated everything he created, but he could never remember the chorus, only the verse.  As Naija says at the beginning -- the Verse permeates everything and binds it together.

In any case, it looks like at some stage in designing the game, there was going to be some greater significance to the Aquarian A -- maybe something along the lines of the "I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End" deity meme...

Also, it looks like there may've been an entire stage of the Creator battle that got cut...  In the gfx/creator directory there's a subdir for "form3" that includes images that I'm pretty sure I never saw during the creator fight...

Any chance anyone might be able to get comments from Alec Holowka on any of this?  The game is completely fantastic, I'd love to hear more about the development process, the backstory, etc.  And I really hope a sequel is in development.  I expect great things from Lucien!

Edited to Add:  Another mystery -- who are Zunna and Vedha, as in Zunna's Perogi and Vedha's Cure-All and Sea-Crisp?  In the graphics, Vedha shows up affiliated with a few parts of Naija's house, including the stand that the giant save crystal is on, and the kitchen hearth.  Searching for Vedha in the resources found some interesting dialogue in a few entity scripts -- childDrask, childSharan, and childTeira.  Are these entities that didn't get used in the game, or did I completely miss some interesting scene that would've given more backstory?  There don't seem to be associated graphics for these entities...  Similarly, there's a script for a Zunna entity (which looks like maybe it was a miniboss?), but no graphics.

Further addition: Aha!  The dialogue file containing the Creator's last monologue -- where he's speaking in the voice of the little boy he once was -- is called "eric.txt".  So I guess his name was Eric, before he was the Creator...
« Last Edit: October 02, 2009, 08:54:40 am by auros »

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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2009, 11:36:51 am »
Yes, yes, yes, yes, affirmitive, we knew and yes.
The windows version is completely open sourced.

CC most likely stands for creator child, probably because they didn't know his name yet, or just for easy reference in scripting.

If you look closely at 'Aleph' you'll see that there's a... castle on his head, where this all started, like on the intro. I also think it's most likely related to the beginning.

More things than just a creator form have been cut.

If you browsed these forums some you'd have figured out this was all discovered as soon as Aquaria patch became open source. And you would have also seen that Alec confirmed pretty much everything that you just pointed out.

A sequel is very unlikely or will be a long time until it's going to be made seeing Alec didn't like all the hassle and comments people gave to him because of his game. And I believe there's also a thread in here somewhere where Derek or Alec explains the development progress of a lot of things.

I'm unsure what Vedha exactly is, but as you said they're all part from Naija's cave and further they're all things that have to do with cooking, so maybe a talented cook from Naija's lost memories. And Zunna was like you said probably a miniboss that was also taken out.
The childdrask and others is of a very very beta thing where the developers thought Aquaria would become an RPG.

Though this all has been discovered before I'm happy there's someone eager enough to rediscover it. ^^
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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2009, 11:33:32 am »
And it never was put all together in such a nice post. :)
This thread should be relevant to your interests:
http://www.bit-blot.com/forum/index.php?topic=1734.msg22220#msg22220

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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 02:36:46 am »
With due respect, Alphasoldier -- I've been annoyed by newbs in forums where I was a regular for a long time, and you're right, maybe I could've found some of these topics if I'd taken more time to search, so, apologies.  But there are a LOT of topics in this forum; I wasn't going to spend the next week reading through every single one of them... :o

I guess it figures folks have found this stuff before, the game having been out for a while now.  (I'm not sure how long it's been available on Mac -- I think it's not exactly brand new, though.)  I didn't immediately find any threads that seemed to cover the collection of stuff I was thinking about, in the first few pages of topics, so I figured I'd just package up as many "things hidden in the files rather than in the game" as possible into a single discussion...

I had noticed that the Aleph critter seems to be wearing part of the city on its head, which sorta hints at the idea that it's a creation that harks back to the creator-child's memories of home...

I'm still sorta curious whether Alec considers any of the cuts from the RPG version (such as Naija having known Prince Drask when they were young -- that would make the fall of Mithalas a quite recent event) to be "canon" to the storyline of any future prequel or sequel...

Also, re: "Alec didn't like all the hassle and comments people gave to him because of his game."  That's a shame.  Were there mean comments or something?  Or did he just get tired of dealing with adoring fans?

Also-also, for anyone joining the conversation even later than me, this seems to be the thread with the most complete coverage on the issue of sequels...
http://www.bit-blot.com/forum/index.php?topic=1599.0

Edited to Add:  Two other  thoughts...

One, in the department of crazy dreams, do you think folks offering to "pre-order" the sequel might induce Alec and Derek to work more on that?  :D

Two, Xiagan, I've always been a fan of that Laplace quote. Occam's Razor FTW!
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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 03:21:37 pm »
Hah, if possible to pre-order Aquaria 2 I'd do it, but I don't think they would suddenly get back together and make the sequel.

And the comments? They were all about that it wasn't their type of game or that the controls sucked or the story was not original or that they didn't like Li.
You know, those comments retarded people give when a game is just next to perfection.
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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2009, 03:21:14 am »
Howdy folks.

First of all, cool thread. Neat to see this all in once place. :)

Secondly, just wanted to address the comments thing. At the time I was talking about that I was feeling pretty down and a few negative comments were getting to me more than they should. That was several months ago though, and I'm getting more used to dealing with that kinda stuff. It doesn't phase me as much it used to. (part of growing up I guess!)

Right now I'm devoting a large portion of my time to Marian which is kind of a sequel to Aquaria to me in that it deals with a lot of the same themes and takes them in new directions.

Also for people interested in preordering stuff, I may open up preorders for the soundtrack which will include a couple of neat extras. So hang on for more information about that in maybe a week or two! :D

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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2009, 02:18:13 am »
Hi there!  Neat to hear from you.

I took a look at the Marian teaser/trailer...  Hard to tell much about the game yet, but you can definitely get that it has a similar atmosphere / mood.  In any case, I chipped in $10 at the donation link.  (The name on the paypal account is different from what I actually use -- almost everyone in real life actually calls me Auros, not my given/legal name.  Basically only my parents still use my old name.)

I just thought of one other mystery from the game -- one of the bits of writing found on a wall in Open Waters says "Krel and Ylia Forever"...  I wondered for a while if maybe those were Li and Naija's real names, from before they lost their memories, but at this point I doubt that.  More characters from the RPG incarnation, perhaps?

I guess you're not giving up any more plot details?  You're going to make us wait however many years it is til Aquaria 2 maybe possibly gets made?  :'(  ;)

Anyways, I'll look forward to hearing more about the soundtrack.  I already converted the OGGs to AACs for iTunes, but I'd be happy to purchase it legally. :D

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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2009, 08:27:44 pm »
I don't want to speak for Alec, but I do more often so eh! I don't think Alec has the whole story of the sequel of Aquaria printed into his head, though I too would still love to hear what he would've planned for it.
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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2009, 10:53:09 pm »
I don't think Alec has the whole story of the sequel of Aquaria printed into his head

To be clear -- I would not expect him to have laid out the whole sequel / trilogy already, but I was figuring he must at least have a pretty good idea of what is canon in relation to the backstory, like what went on in Naija's youth, who "Krel and Ylia" are, and so on.  I also figured he'd probably know what the intention was behind Aleph, and why it was cut.

I could be wrong...

In any case, I wouldn't want actual spoilers for any eventual sequel; I'm just trying to puzzle through some of the meaning of the game we've all already fallen in love with.  :)

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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2009, 04:13:43 pm »
In the Sacrifice Mod, the priestess mentioned Vedha, and then she gave Elena the sun form.  Is that a god too? or Just a cook like Alpha said

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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2009, 05:44:27 pm »
Well, Sacrifice was designed without direct input from Alec and Derek, so it can't really be considered canon...

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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2009, 06:03:29 pm »
True, but is Vedha a girl or boy's name? Sounds like a girl's name to me.
Also, Aleph's picture looks like a head with a bunch of pipes (or something else, I don't know...) on the sides, but it looks interesting.

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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2009, 11:32:10 pm »
SPOILERS

According to Sacrifice, Vedha is another name for Mia. That would explain why Vedha is referred to in Naija's house, as it was probably where she stayed when Naija and Mia lived together.
I think Aleph looks kind of like the Sunken City before it sank.

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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2009, 01:56:04 am »
Mia is created by Eric/The Creator, so Vedha would be a goddess? or not all of his creations are gods.

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Re: CC, Aleph, and the missing Creator: Did anyone else try hacking Aquaria?
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2009, 08:27:15 am »
Well, Mia -made- Naija, she could be considered a god. :D
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