Lesson = Learn to tolerate the torrenters

[Alphasoldier]

Well, I'm propably an idiot for asking this, but does anyone have version 1.0 laying there somewhere? (torrented or not) I want to check if there really is a submarine of Li in version 1.0

[Nava]

Well, I'm propably an idiot for asking this, but does anyone have version 1.0 laying there somewhere? (torrented or not) I want to check if there really is a submarine of Li in version 1.0

I'm fairly certain that there is not.

[Chibi]

Look no further than here, though the site's reputation is dubious at best ... 

[EDIT]: You'll need a Torrent client to open the file.

[EDIT]: No seeders, whatever those are ... but without them, it's no go. 

[Alphasoldier]

Thanks for the trouble, but the thing has no seeders, as so, you can't completely download it, which, in a way, is good, seeing people can't download it now, but I'm searching for version 1.0.0 anyway.

[Chibi]

Oh. What are seeders?

[Xiagan]

Oh. What are seeders?

too lazy for google or wikipedia? well...

A seeder is a peer that has a complete copy of the torrent and still offers it for upload. The more seeders there are, the better the chances are for completion of the file.  (wikipeida)

[Chibi]

You mean people post incomplete files? What's the point of that?    Also, I was just leaving for piano lessons when I wrote my previous post.

[EDIT]: _{Mock outrage, if you're wondering.} 

[inkblob]

You mean people post incomplete files? What's the point of that?    Also, I was just leaving for piano lessons when I wrote my previous post.

[EDIT]: _{Mock outrage, if you're wondering.} 

the original posted file is 100% as someone dl'ds the file from the seeder ( someone who has 100% ) they are called peers. as more and more people get the whole file then the amount of seeders increase and the file can dl more quickly. when you come across a file with many people sharing it, you will be dl'ing diff chunks from diff people, dl'ing 10-15% from person a, dl'ing 35-42% from person b, etc. the torrent application figures out what and how much you can dl from each person based on their connection speed and how much of the file they are sharing.

generally an hour long tv show takes about an hour to dl, depending on popularity and your connection speed.  if something like Lost or Survivor is just posted then there is a lot of 'hype' around the file and it may take all of 10 minutes to bring it down as there are so many people sharing. it's kind of a stock market of what's currently interesting and should replace the Neilsen ratings

[Chibi]

I see ... so the issue is speed, right? How long would a 200 megabyte file take to download without seeders?

[inkblob]

it would be impossible. even if there were peers, a peer by definition does not have 100% of the file. you need at least one seed to keep the file alive. essentially it depends on the amount of people sharing, and then we get into something called ratios, which is seeds/peers and a healthy torrent usually has an even'ish amount as opposed to swaying towards either side of the spectrum.

to give you an idea, many tv shows might have 100's of seed and peers, sometimes up to 1000's, even months after it was shown on the air. a popular show that is posted the night it airs can up to 10,000 seeds+ and twice that many peers and those are the files that come down lightning fast. a half hour show is 175 mb~, an hour show is 350~ mb, and movies hover around 700 mb.

[Alphasoldier]

Inkblob seems to know his p2p. ^^

But yeah, no seeders anywhere. D:

[delve]

If the sum of all the peers is a complete file then you don't need a seed. However given the dynamics of the Bittorrent protocol a situation like that won't last long as eventually each peer will acquire the entire file and become a seed (if they aren't leeches and remove the file )

Basically, if there are chunks of the file that aren't available on the network then you'll never get the whole file. As for speed a seeder functions the same as a peer, it just has the entire file. Peers are sending and recieving chuncks at the same time, seeds are only sending chunks.

Back to the point though, maybe Alec has an old version hanging around?

[inkblob]

Inkblob seems to know his p2p. ^^

who me? 

If the sum of all the peers is a complete file then you don't need a seed. However given the dynamics of the Bittorrent protocol a situation like that won't last long as eventually each peer will acquire the entire file and become a seed (if they aren't leeches and remove the file )

I didn't mention that as it hurts my head to think about it, one of those things that is sure to break the whole internet if it happens.

[Chibi]

Thanks for the explanation, inkblob. Like Alpha said, you know your stuff. Why do I have a picture of an evil madman with his hand over the delete key?   

[Xiagan]

what? that all was basic internet knowledge. It's not as if inkblob is a file-pirate.

i'm quite sure to have 1.o too. Will try to find it on one of my external harddrives.


Edit: found it. 202 MBs. Will try to host it tomorrow.