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Aquaria => Modding => Topic started by: Alphasoldier on February 23, 2009, 01:42:47 pm
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-EXIT THIS TOPIC IF YOU ARE NOT 18 YEARS OR OLDER-
-OR IF YOU CAN'T LEGALLY WATCH NAKED PICTURES IN YOUR COUNTRY-
-ALSO EXIT THIS TOPIC IF YOU ARE OFFENDED BY NUDITY-
Version 1.1.1 and above required for this mod!
I'm propably gonna be seen as a major pervert on here.
But in my defence; I admire nudity and I admire this game, I wanted to put them together.
It's pretty much a personal project I'm sharing with you people.
So, yeah, to not put up more excuses, the mod:
Nude Mod (455.44 KB) (http://infiniteammo.ca/aquaria/mods/NudeMod.rar)
The mod has every form and costume of Naija in it and also has Li.
There are 3 folders in here:
gfx - This is the nude mod of Naija, put it in your Aquaria folder to 'install' it and let it write over everything.
Li - In here is also a gfx folder that contains Li, seeing the girls would also want something, place it in your Aquaria folder too to install it.
Backup - In here is again a gfx folder that contains the old (and dressed) files of Naija and Li if you're tired of admiring beauty.
Seeing you write over the original files, this is also applied to the main game.
Finally, I added a costume mod (2.98mb) (http://infiniteammo.ca/aquaria/mods/CostumeMod.rar) that I made where you have a few rooms where you can test the costumes and just... well, swim and stuff.
For the wanting, it also has several zoom spots.
In the top of the starting room hangs a light... sphere, click that to obtain every song AND Li.
It also has a room with a secret costume. :O
Constructive criticism is allowed and highly appreciated, hate posts are not. PM me if you really have a big problem with this.
Aaaanyway, I hope I'm not hated too much by posting this and further hope other people have fun with this.
Remember that this nude 'mod' is also applied your main game!!!
I also must note that I have taken a long time to make this post as perfect as possible and that it took a lot of guts of myself to press the actual post button.
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If anybody wants to discuss, I believe there are hundreds of posts about artistic nude vs pornography on deviantART. ;)
I'm in a rush atm, so I won't be able to check it out now. -> Friday I guess. :)
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No wonder you had censored Naija in your screenshot of Hiro's mod... ;)
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Actually, that WAS a power suit and I'm still working on it, but I can't make a choice between the the shoulder... balls being part of the arms or part of the body, either dun seem to work, might scrap the idea eventually. I'm also working on Aquarifying Metroid enemies, it's hopeless. ~_~
But yeah, give constructive criticism and stuff once you checked it out.
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/b/ raid!
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Heh, I just knew someone would make this. ;D
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Power suit shoulders being part of the body seems like it should work; at least I don't recall seeing Samus' shoulders moving (much), so... did it just look odd?
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Zoko, I already made a simple one with only Naija's normal form.
Align, the big spheres half overlap the arms, which when on the body, it would make the arms shorter (seeing they can't overlap the big sphere) and when she would move them a lot it would look plain wrong, but when the spheres are on the arms they move radically. It seems to be a lose-lose situation. =[
Oehr, /b/ raid whut?
Also, just some info, the nude mod has been downloaded 9 times so far, while the extra mod is only downloaded 3... no, 4 times.
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Major courage points/respect for putting your work up. Personally, I feel that there was an unspoken interest in a mod like this, and that yours is the best way it could have been done: tastefully, proportionally, without undue embellishment, and well.
My reactions: Neat setup, nice layout. I like being able to toggle between all the outfits like that; I don't know how many times I've been in-game and trying to switch between Urchin and Jelly costumes, and some gangsta-fish up and shoots me while I'm dressing. x_x. The art is very well done, and realistic to boot. It does make me wonder about Naija's age again, though, since it's never explicitly stated. I mean, she's old enough to be getting on and so on with Li and having kids, of course, but I wonder whether Aquaria is Earth (implied by the 'Terra' comment in The Veil), if it isn't what the year length is, and how old Naija and Li are in both units.
Some blips: I don't know whether this is present in the game as well and I just never noticed, but the connection between her thigh and hip is a bit sharp-cornered as she's swimming. Her breast area changes shape a little between some forms as well, I think. Also, if you ignore the Energy Form pearl door and go the Spirit Form way first, and then come at the closed door from the upper side, you get stuck there. A charge shot will fortunately go through and hit the pearl to free you, but it bears mentioning.
A note: This mod brought to light the fact that the image of Naija in the crystal on the title menu screen is linked to her base image files. The mod will make that Naija naked, as well.
Two questions: What is that sort of general form that has a necklace but no cape, but isn't the Teen Costume? Is that a nude form of the extended ending outfit? Also, why all the random crazy-foods; just for the heck of it?
Favorite form: Nature Form. The lack of costume really highlights the tattoo sigil on her stomach, which I hadn't noticed before. Stomach tattoos are hot in general. ;)
Least favorite: Fish Form. I mean, what can you do with that? Oh well.
Several colons: Yes.
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The Urchin costume is my favorite - forcefully reminds me of Madonna's bra. :o :D ;)
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Oehr, /b/ raid whut?
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5838/rule34.jpg)
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Rule 34
Generally accepted internet rule that states that pornography or sexually related material exists for any conceivable subject.
Additionally it is accepted that the rule itself has limitations and you cannot be too specific on the content of the item in question.
Most commonly used on various message boards for various reasons, from humor to cruelty.
That itself is borderline, Oehr. ;)
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Oehr, no, don't. There was already a rule 34, so this is old news. =p Nice effort tho.
Chibi, I'm glad you like it, I was most uncertain on what to do with the urchin costume.
Zeke, Thanks, I really don't know her age, but I indeed doubt things too, seeing, she IS having kids, but she is also a head shorter than her own mother.
Her hips have sort of always been like that, but seeing she has no clothes (and thus less area at her hip connection) it's more obvious.
The door should indeed be fixed, was very stupid of me to do it like that. >.>
Her breasts... well, I thought about that a while, I first thought having everything the same size, but after several times thinking of fish form, where she changed her bloody skeleton, I thought that the boobs could change per form.
The form with just the necklace is the form you appear in in the end when you have all memories, it's why I gave it a special spot.
Fun fact: If you change costume in the extra end piece, you lose your pretty costume, seeing you can't change back.
The nature form indeed intrigued me too, I was thinking of making a tattoo up or down there, but... I would be ruining the existing tattoo.
And, well... I could do SOMETHING with the fish form, but then this mod wouldn't be beautiful, but perverted. =[
But yeah, glad you like it. ^^
P.S. I might put some more trouble into making the hips look better. When I have time that is.
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(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8193/rule35.jpg)
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Zoko, I already made a simple one with only Naija's normal form.
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Also, just some info, the nude mod has been downloaded 9 times so far, while the extra mod is only downloaded 3... no, 4 times.
Still keeps my comment valid, you still made it, you just made it earlier than I thought. I give you a pat on the back for having the guts to put this up, and if (no, when) a nude mod is to be made, better it is made by a loyal, dedicated fan than a perverted sicko. Although I wonder what Alec or Derek would say about this...
Oehr- Hah, that's clever ;D
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Although I wonder what Alec or Derek would say about this...
Alec knows and doesn't mind, and I'm fairly certain him and Alpha have spoken about the mod before.
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Nava is right. I asked Alec about this over IRC, he didn't mind. Though I still doubt it lightly, who would want to see this kind of mod of his game?
I also wonder what Derek thinks of this though, I haven't spoken to him about this at all, I mean, he's the graphics man and all, I would want his opinion.
Oehr, fancy, and with the 'there was already a rule 34' I meant that there was already enough obscene stuff on the internet.
Now stop pulling in bad sides of the internet, this place is one of the few that I actually enjoy being active on. >_>
Oh... and the stats:
Nude mod - 21
Test mod - 12
Lots of non-posters. =O
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Nava is right. I asked Alec about this over IRC, he didn't mind. Though I still doubt it lightly, who would want to see this kind of mod of his game?
I also wonder what Derek thinks of this though, I haven't spoken to him about this at all, I mean, he's the graphics man and all, I would want his opinion.
Yeah, but I would be interested to see Alec's reaction nonetheless. And Derek's reaction would be interesting too, since it's his graphics. I mean, most "mainstream" game moderators or game designers who hang out at forums would go "Nude? ARGH! Eternal Ban!" or whatever. When I said 'I wonder how Alec or Derek would react to this' means I'm just interested to hear what they think.
Oh, and I haven't downloaded yet(busy), will soon!
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The Internet is for porn,
The Internet is for porn,
Why you think the 'net was born?
For porn, porn, porn!
:D
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Just great. ;)
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Oehr, fancy, and with the 'there was already a rule 34' I meant that there was already enough obscene stuff on the internet.
Now stop pulling in bad sides of the internet, this place is one of the few that I actually enjoy being active on. >_>
well partially its your own fault... anyways im one of the 21 people and im not proud of myself...
no more motivational rule pics, i swear, ok? but dont be so stiff and serious: its a nude mod... btw, if you need help, i could try helping you out. i worked with photoshop for some time and recently got a graphic tablet. http://oehr.deviantart.com/
though i still suck hard using it...
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Zoko: Same on that.
Oehr: I don't really know what help I could be given, unless you see major flaws on my work altogether.
How come you ain't proud of yourself, eh? =O
And this isn't porn! angryface.png
Stats: 27 - 15
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porn, artistic nude, for pleasure, fanservice, whatever...
anyways i noticed one thing. lets take this pic again:
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5838/rule34.jpg)
theres a major noticeable edge: the leg/hip.
its not quite noticeable zoomed out but it doesnt look that good zoomed in.
also the shading you added after clearing her dress doesnt make sense as it isnt continuous. with this shadow najias proportions look weird... her breasts also cast a shadow!
they easiest way to make sure the shading is correct is using a real life example. you simply need a dark room with one lightsource and a large mirror/a cam(to see yourself) or someone who poses for you. the source of light should be the same as in the game, thus from the left slightly above your head and in the front of course(third person view). the original "mithalan-body.png" should help you fixing the shading :)
other than that, its fine :D
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Derek already said he was cool with it, I think.
Not a big deal for us. :)
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The leg to hip connection is indeed something I have been working on a lot and it looked good enough to post it. I might make it look better later when I have time again.
The rest however, what you're saying makes no sense to me. You're talking about some sort of shadow, and as far as I know every shadow on the sprite looks just fine. I looked at all the sprites that already existed, especially the skimpy costume with only the bikini to look if the shadings were right on that stop and in that, I saw no flaws.
Though I do have to say there there is barely any shading at all, or at least, very lightly.
Seeing when I look at Naija in general, the light comes from right in front of her and a bit from the top, her back is dark, and her front is light, which made the decision on where to put the shadows fairly easy.
And sadly enough, I have noone to pose for me, though I know enough about shadows and shadings. ^^
None the less, please show me with pictures what you exactly mean, if needed, in PM.
Also, Alec, It's nice to know that it's not a big deal for you, but I would also like your opinion on the mod, if that isn't too much to ask. D:
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Also, Alec, It's nice to know that it's not a big deal for you, but I would also like your opinion on the mod, if that isn't too much to ask. D:
Yeah, that's what I wanted to know too.
I downloaded it right now, but got an error message along the lines of 'file may be corrupt'.
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A similar error appeared when I tried to download it: 'File may be corrupting." ;)
Also, I saw nothing wrong with the shadowing, especially under her two plump - shoulders, yes, I meant shoulders. >.> <.<
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Her two plump perogi's, yes.
Either way, I'm having no problem with the download, nor extracting it, what exactly is that error you are getting? Should I try recompiling everything and upload it again?
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I was joking when I said "Corrupting." In other words, it works perfectly fine on my computer.
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I downloaded again and it worked fine, so could be my computer.
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I copy the file to my main folder but it doesnt seem to work? what could cause that? where do i veiw the forms? i'v got v.1.0.3
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Version 1.1.1 and above required for this mod!
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where do i get v1.1.1 +??
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If you actually bought it, PM Alec with your billing information and ask for an update, or send a mail to Plimus with the same stuff. I'd try both if I were you.
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i dont hav that anymore... :'( i bought the game while at a friends house during my holidays and he lives other side the country frm me... :'( :'(
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i dont hav that anymore... :'( i bought the game while at a friends house during my holidays and he lives other side the country frm me... :'( :'(
Your reference number for the purchase should have been sent to you at the email address used for the purchase. All you need to send Alec is this number and your full name (or the name on the card used to make the purchase, if it wasn't you) with a request for a download reactivation.
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like i said... i used a friends comp and his e-mail and he not responding
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That's bad luck for you, I'd try and keep attempting to contact that friend.
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the basted delaeted the e-mail!!! :'( now what? i got no proof of purchace now! :o
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Well, IF you really bought the game, I'd try to e-mail plimus with the name you used and the email-adress you used (and the paying details paypal acc/credit card number/we). This way it will work too I guess.
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OK!!! I will admit!
I didnt actually buy the game... :o
i torrented it >:D
so shoot me for being a broke ass kid! i dont have over 300 rand!!!! I got barly 50! :'(
Deleat my username if you want! but i assure you i will have a job soon and i WILL buy AQUARIA 2 when it comes out!
just so you know i really am 18 as of 7 feb this year!
so there!
and so what if i lied? its human nature!
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you know the man who made this game may need to earn the money for his work¡¡¡
He and his friend were don't know maybe two or four of his years working in this...
And you come here even torrent it, you and lot of people.
I hope when you have got a job doesn't come someone steal your money and say well maybe i will give you back later...
you may be a kid but you have to learn to be honest next time play what you can afford.
This is a sad excuse really sad.
You know what maybe there is no aquaria 2 or marian or another project.And the reason is because this things have to have profits...
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Wait..... so you're a kid who pirated an old version, saw that there was an 18+ mod and tried to install it (despite not being of age), then LIED more than once about how you acquired a copy of the game, using a whole lot of crying emoticons to plead your pitiable case, to try to get a free update?? I don't think you're going to find much sympathy here. Sorry if that seems unfair to you, but you've crossed my personal tolerance limit for bullshit.
It's not the pirating that particularly irks me, because that happens. I wish it didn't happen to small developers, but it does. It's the string of dishonesty that comes along afterward, showing a thorough lack of respect.
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This particular conversation should be moved/deleted... otherwise people may be tempted to start a FLAME WAR...
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Wait..... so you're a kid who pirated an old version, saw that there was an 18+ mod and tried to install it (despite not being of age), then LIED more than once about how you acquired a copy of the game, using a whole lot of crying emoticons to plead your pitiable case, to try to get a free update?? I don't think you're going to find much sympathy here. Sorry if that seems unfair to you, but you've crossed my personal tolerance limit for bullshit.
It's not the pirating that particularly irks me, because that happens. I wish it didn't happen to small developers, but it does. It's the string of dishonesty that comes along afterward, showing a thorough lack of respect.
I am NOT looking for sympathy. and as a matter of fact I AM 18, my date of birth is 07/02/1991 putting me at the legal age to legally download whatever mod i actually see fit. and seeing as the files i torrented contained a virus that destroyed everything on my computer i feel that i've learnt my lesson on torrenting stuff. and the fact that i actually confessed with out asking forgiveness(as i wont get any either way) gives me a small + in a sea of -'s. as for it not seeming fair... i deserve every piece of crap thats hurled my way. i cant undo my actions but at least i can try to not repeat them.
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You may be 18 but you're still a kid.
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it can be said that a person of 50 is still a kid, it all depends on the levle of maturity.
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Asking an adult to buy the game for you would be the easiest way to solve your problems. The developers are paid for their work, and you gain (legal) access to all the patches, support, and mods Alec and the Aquaria community can provide. ;)
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thanx maby i'll just do that
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*hack* *cough* *hack*
I made this mod before I was 18. >_>
I personally believe that mental age is more important than physical age.
Heck, if we'd start writing down the mental instead of physical age of dying, a looooot of people would die young. 8D
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I dislike this 18-year-old little boy we have the misfortune of knowing exists. He may say, and even be, 18, but he's got the uncultured brain of a 12 year old mercilessly allowed on the internet.
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@sadron: you don't have to "like" me but please, the insults are unnecessary.
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You lied, trying to get to us with sympathy and then suddenly admit you pirated the game and try to talk it right because 'everyone lies sometimes'.
Even though we run a polite forum here, and I try to help with that, that insult is earned.
Now stfu, my mod, my thread, stop arguing.
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pwnd :o
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I downloaded this mod from here onto my mac and it messed up naijas form. Every body part is little white squares. I deleted it and put in the backup included (i checked all of the body parts and they looked right.) Now the regular naija is all squares. Help?
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Tell it like it is Alpha!
@calebj Can you post a screenshot of it?
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I know exactly what he means and I know what has gone wrong, but seeing I completely DONT have a Mac, I'd have no clue how to solve it.
As far as I know, if you wrote over the original files, it should do fine, unless of course the Mac uses images differently or anything like that, which seems very unlikely seeing other mods DO work with personal graphics...
All I could probably ask is if:
One: There are 2 locations for the _mods folder (still don't know where), maybe there is a need to apply the mod to both or at least the right folder.
Two: If you would do the above, back up the files you have there first. Then copy the backup files to the earlier folder which you applied the mod on.
P.S: I really really really really don't like the Mac. >_>
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If I were to speculate, I would say the Mac version doesn't like the PNG files from the Windows version. That really doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but then again there's probably some quirk I'm not aware of.
Unfortunately I don't have access to a Mac or the Mac version of Aquaria so I really can't help with the mod problem.
On the other hand, if you reinstall Aquaria it should restore the proper original files you need to see Naija.
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I redownloaded Aquaria after deleting this mod and now it works fine.
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pwnd :o
...Indeed lol 8)
So.. Umm.. The download link is dead :( (Along with WHFF apparently). Any chance you could repost the mod elsewhere please? (Or transfer via MSN)
TIA.
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All the mods can be found at: http://infiniteammo.ca/aquaria/mods/ :)
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R.I.P WHFF? What the hell?!
I have files on there that's not on my own computer! D:
I swear, the one responsible for this should receive a kick in the face.
And last time I checked, the mod was downlaoded 1189 times too! D:
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R.I.P WHFF? What the hell?!
I have files on there that's not on my own computer! D:
I swear, the one responsible for this should receive a kick in the face.
And last time I checked, the mod was downlaoded 1189 times too! D:
Yeah, I'm pretty annoyed too. I mean, if the owner hadn't enough money to pay for the server -okay. But he should've known that before and then posted there (or mailed the registered users) that they have X days to save their files. All my broken links and stuff... >:D :'(
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Yeah... let's hope he gets those donations.
Even though I won't be donating, I wasn't using it THAT heavily, but enough to rely on it quite some.
Either way, I slyly changed the links to the IA site from Alec in my first posts so link aren't 'broken' any more. :3
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Even donating won't bring the files back. I donated when they started the service, but I'm not doing it again...
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Why thank you very much, sir =]
P.S. Anyone else think that printer icon down there looks rather... evil? Lol ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I... erm, you're welcome? >_>
Also, Printer Icon is just smiling, thazzal.
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Okay, I realize that this is gravedigging, but I feel I just have to say this...
I have not tried your nude mod. I'm not really into nudity, but the fact that you're such a devoted fan to do this really shows just how much Aquaria matters to you. Good job, though since I didn't download it, I can't really say that.
As for your costume mod...
It's AWESOME. This is exactly the type of mod I was looking for, just one to mess around in, and have some fun outside of the main game. Your mod reminds me of that Beauty of Aquaria mod, except you one-up Beauty by giving us the forms.
I do have one complaint, though. If you try to exit the Upper level (the one with the jars and the portrait) through the right side without opening the Energy door, Naija will get stuck in the barrier and not be able to get out. That really stunk for me to discover that.
Other than that, though, superfluous mod. And, I LOVE the Secret costume (definitely made my day, seeing Naija in the Zero Suit...)
Again, sorry for the gravedigging, but again, I felt this needed to be said. You really are a talented modder, Mr. Alphasoldier.
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Haha, thank you very much, I'm flattered!
And yes the map is a bit buggy, I'm still not sure how I'm going to fix it... I was thinking of putting 2 blockades on each side or just removing them, negating the need of having to find out where to get all the forms from. But I'd have no clue how to script it!
Or.. I just discovered.. that it might be an idea to just make a node that spawns you outside of it... makes no sense, but at least the bug is fixed XD
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Well having booted up my fancy fresh copy of version 1.1.1 I have finally been able to try this out. It's very tastefully done, and I can't decide which costume I like best now. The jelly costume is disappointingly covered I must say.
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It's see-through!
I honestly didn't know what I would change about the jelly costume besides making her look silly with just a cape and a silly jellyfish as hat. :[
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I've always thought that the jelly costume looked a bit silly in the first place, I don't think you could have done anything to it by detracting from it.
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Well perhaps I could've... 'attached' something to it. >_>
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Well perhaps I could've... 'attached' something to it. >_>
Hear, hear!
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Well perhaps I could've... 'attached' something to it. >_>
Hear, hear!
Elbow, elbow! Wink, wink! Say no more, say no more! ;)
[EDIT]: That's a Monty Python sketch, btw.
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After finally reinstalling version 1.1.1 decided to download the mods and take a look at them.
I have no idea what people think of this particular mod though the responses on the thread were varied.
To each its own I say.
On my side? I love this mod, Naija looks just cute, simple as that ;)
Also used the "Beauty of Aquaria" mod with this one and they are like a marriage made in the ocean :)
Heh and a small joke here, inside the same Beauty of Aquaria mod if you travel west (left) and are using this mod too you might suddenly go funny looking. "Excuse me, waiter? there's a nude human in my ocean" ;D
Lovely mod ^.^
LT.
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Thank you for the kind words and I also think that The Beauty of Aquaria is an amazing mod to try this out in.
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An interesting mod. I'm honestly not sure what to think of it, though, as Naija to me always seems so... young. That's perhaps a criticism of the game, though, and not this mod. She has the body shape of a quite young girl. I know the breasts show someone somewhat older, but that's not what I mean. The original end-body.png is best indicative of what I'm getting at. The very slight hip curvature, from the angle she's drawn at, looks more like baby fat than hips. It gives her abdomen the look of having the slight bulge of a younger girl's tummy. For how short she is, her hip curvature isn't enough to make her look older. She either needs to be taller (or more slender) with the same curve, or more curvier at this aspect ratio. Look at end-body.png and put your thumb over the top half so you don't see her breasts. It is the body shape of a girl of between 10 and 12.
You can also see what I mean if you look at the concept art. There is one shot in particular where you see three versions of Naija - two of her slightly taller, more slender, looking like a woman, and one of her shorter and looking quite child-like. It looks like it was a very conscious decision to make her look young. Naija's general look of a young girl is compounded in this mod by the lack of any body hair. Now this fact in and of itself is not bad, especially nowadays where this isn't as... fringe as it once was, and in context may even be expected in an aquatic creature. It just adds to the feel of her as being very young (and is a contrast to Li who does have hair). Additionally, in your mod the shading along the lower left of her abdomen (Naija's left) as her abdomen and left hip curve into her pubic area, is very 'deep' (continues from her hip towards her abdomen quite far) and emphasizes her abdominal 'bulge' as being child-like tummy.
All this contributes to the whole image of her being very young - unfortunately (to me) more so with this mod even than in the original game. Perhaps it's my age, and the fact I have seen my daughters go through the body stage I perceive Naija to be at. This mod, as it is, makes me slightly uncomfortable, like I'm not looking at a pretty woman, but at a naked pre-adolescent girl. Especially as a father.
My suggestion is to slim out her body a little to change her aspect ratio. Another idea that might even work better is to add some outlining in her abdomen to show the outline of some abdominal musculature - perhaps in concert with pushing the shading along her left side of her lower abdomen more towards her hip to 'flatten' out her tummy - this may give a better impression that her outer body curve is actually a lateral curve of her hips, and not a curve indicating depth. Lastly, even a slight amount of body hair might give an older impression.
Please don't take this as a criticism of the concept of this mod. I hope you will take it as constructive criticism to help make this better.
(Aside question - what is the suit that Alphasoldier has in his forum avatar?)
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Compared to Mia, and considering that she is at a fertile age, she probably is somewhere in the 12-15 range.
"(and is a contrast to Li who does have hair)"
What do you mean? Naija has more hair than Li. Li only has a small mohawk, while Naija has a full head of white hair.
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Compared to Mia, and considering that she is at a fertile age, she probably is somewhere in the 12-15 range.
I realize that in the context of the game she must be of fertile age. My comments were addressing the visual characteristics of her sprite.
"(and is a contrast to Li who does have hair)"
What do you mean? Naija has more hair than Li. Li only has a small mohawk, while Naija has a full head of white hair.
I apologize, I suppose I was unclear when I said "body hair". I meant body hair as opposed to head hair. South of the border... Li does have hair, and Naija has none. Makes her look very child-like.
I just spent some more time looking at Naija's graphics trying to determine why else she strikes me as being so young. I realize there are other strong visual cues that are making Naija look like a child. One is her head size. Children have a larger head-to-body size ratio, and that is a big visual cue to someone looking at a drawing as to how old the person is. Naija's ratio is closer to that of a pre-adolescent child. Also, the aspect ratio of the width-to-length of her legs. The legs of a girl who is just pre-adolescent are almost as wide as they will be when she is grown, but pf course not as long. As she enters adolescence and adulthood, they more "longer" than they get "wider", slimming them down. In the game, Naija's legs are those of a pre-adolescent girl. Finally, not just the width of the legs but they way the top of them connect on the sprite. A good feminine curve sweeps in to the waist, out at the hips, and in again at the bottom of the hips as they meet upper thigh - the hourglass. If you look at the original torso sprites alone, they look like they would follow this, but when the legs are attached in game, the tops of them eliminate some of the smoothness of the hourglass. This adds to the tummy baby-fat look that makes her look very much like a child.
Naija's original sprites have obvious breasts, but the other visual cues are so strong, she looks like a pre-adolescent child. So, some other things in this mod that could be done to make her look more age-appropriate: Alter the head, I suggest 80% of its size. Narrow the waist a touch along the inside curve (the one that is by perspective further away), narrow the upper legs - especially the upper outer curve where it makes a bump in the bum, and slight shading to outline abdominal muscles. Here is an example of the above changes (keep in mind I am NOT an artist, so this is pretty rough).
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4267/naijacomp.th.png) (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/naijacomp.png/)
If the above image doesn't work, go to: http://img217.imageshack.us/i/naijacomp.png/ (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/naijacomp.png/)
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I knew what you meant with body hair, but I have never downloaded this mod so I didn't make the connection.
I don't know much about modding, but I think that in order to make her bigger, sized like mia, her whole animation and collision scripts would have to be remade. I doubt it would be worth the work to make her look older just for a nudity mod.
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Kurt, I totally agree with you; I have never been happy with the childish look of Naija and the big head, especially considering she has children in the Aquaria story... I like your graphic and hope we can change the code now that it is open-source and make her more like the graphic of her waving we've all seen; more adult looking, for our Magic of Aquaria mod and anyone else's mod who wants to use that. I don't know if Yogoda can do this or not, but I have asked him. Naked or clothed, there is no reason to have her look like a child.
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Actually, there's a child size of Naija too, I'd say she's in/past her teens in the game, Mia is just big. Also, what child knows how to articulate so damn well?
So really, I'm not going to change anything. It's a nude mod, not a sexy mod. I've kept the most original body shape as possible.
And Sindhi, in a way you're right, but who says they age and form the same as us? Nothing is sure.
Also there's a child of Naija and Li in the end, just saying that nudity comes before pregnancy.
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I have never been happy with the childish look of Naija and the big head
I believe the head was made bigger to make all her expressions/emotions visible, not to make her look child-like...
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AKA, it's the art style.
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Actually, there's a child size of Naija too, I'd say she's in/past her teens in the game
The child sprite is similar in aspect ratios to the version played in the game. It has smaller breasts, but overall a similar body shape.
Mia is just big.
Here I would have to fairly emphatically disagree. If she were "just big", then she would look like a scaled-up Naija, and that she clearly does not. Her aspect ratios much more closely resemble those of an adult - her curves are more pronounced, her head is no larger than Naija's, her legs taper more. In every way she looks not larger, but more like an aduld.
Additionally, if Mia were just big, then the sprite for Lucien's girlfriend would more closely resemble Naija, and it doesn't. It is clearly based (and the same size as) on the same adult template that Mia is.
Also, what child knows how to articulate so damn well?
I perhaps have not been clear enough that I've been referring to her visual appearance. But if you want to speak of behaviour, while the speaking is exceedingly articulate, the non-verbal behaviour is young and quite cutesy - the giggling when she changes clothes, the little sigh when she hugs Li. In fact, pretty much every in-game look, sound-effect, and behaviour except for the narration is fairly cutesy.
So really, I'm not going to change anything. It's a nude mod, not a sexy mod. I've kept the most original body shape as possible.
This is fine, it is your mod after all. I should point out that my goal was not to promote a 'sexy' Naija. In fact, this is specifically not my goal. I really just want a Naija that is old enough for an adult to look at comfortably. I don't like looking at nude pre-adolescents or tweens.
Gobbo: I'm fairly certain the game makes the collision bounding boxes dynamically from the size of the sprite graphics. There are just too many creatures to have them all hard-coded. It would make changing any graphic element in the game a nightmare for the developers, and dynamically sized bounding boxes aren't hard to code.
Sindhi: As mentioned above, I don't think any code changes are required to visually age Naija to a look that more closely resembles the age she is portrayed in the story.
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If I remember correctly, we were thinking she'd be 16-18 -ish.
Of course, we weren't planning on people making nude mods. :)
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Ooh, so I'm a 16-18-ish girl playing a game about being a 16-18-ish fishy girl. :3
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Your age changes constantly, but stays within a certain range?
That's pretty cool. :P
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Around now is normally where I would say that this discussion has gone to a really weird place all of a sudden... but it really hasn't gone anywhere, has it? ;)
Anyway, yeah, I agree with Kurt. I would also add that the narration, aside from two brief conversations with deities, is apparently being provided by Naija some time after the birth of her son (else he'd probably be smaller--compare infant-Naija and child-Naija), which itself happened some time after the end of the game (think about it :P).
Also, those two conversations with deities: in the one with Mithala she was clearly trying to be as respectful as possible, and in the one with the Creator she was pissed (and she seems like the kind of person whose angry voice would be extremely formal and precise). We never really saw her normal speaking voice. Although admittedly one could make a pretty good case that she never got one, given her background.
Also, what child knows how to articulate so damn well?
I did, for one. I may have been composed almost entirely of embarrassing flaws when my age was in the single digits, but I could fill a hollowed-out narwhal with six-dollar words. ;)
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and she seems like the kind of person whose angry voice would be extremely formal and precise
Sounds like me. Maybe there was a reason why I felt like I could relate to Naija so well. :3
I believe the narration is being provided by her spirit after her son's birth and probably after Li has left on his flying boat thingy. She is inside one of those blue spirit crystal thingies (like on the main menu), isn't she?
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and she seems like the kind of person whose angry voice would be extremely formal and precise
Sounds like me. Maybe there was a reason why I felt like I could relate to Naija so well. :3
I believe the narration is being provided by her spirit after her son's birth and probably after Li has left on his flying boat thingy. She is inside one of those blue spirit crystal thingies (like on the main menu), isn't she?
Oh, indeed. Depending on your definition of "she", of course, since although there had to be most of her memories and some semblance of her consciousness in there, Mia had plans for some significant percentage of her (starting with the bit of her id that really likes eating monsters raw and setting the wildlife on fire ^-^).
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Tried it, but Im on a Mac, so I do not get to see it. I think the issue is the Mac version from ambrosia is 1.1.0. Oh well....
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Not sure how I could fix it for Macs, I haven o clue how their file hierarchy works, or if it's just the image files that need to be converted to another form than tga.
Even though I'm usually very anti-Mac (this only adding up to it) I'd love to fix it if I knew how.
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I decided to take a look and try and see just what was different, and quickly figured out how to make it work on my Mac.
On a Mac an application is actually a special folder called a package, which you got to open using the secondary click. (For those with a two button mouse, its the right click, on my MacBook Pro, its 2 fingers on the track pad.)
In the package is a folder "contents" and in there a folder "Resources" and in there a folder "gfx".
In the gfx folder there are a large number of .png files and more folders, including folders "LI" and "Naija"
What I first did, and did not work was replace the Li and Naija folders with those from the Mod. The result was a Naija that was all little white squares. Reason: The original Naija folder contained many more .png files than are included in the Mod, so I lost most of them. Oddly the game did not use the few that were in the folder, it replaced all body parts with white squares.
What works: Copy over just the .png files from the Naija folder provided with the Mod to the Naija folder in the package, which changes just a few of the .png files, leaving the rest unchanged and in place.
Fortunately I had saved the original Naija and Li folders before doing it wrong, so recovery was easy.
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If I remember correctly, we were thinking she'd be 16-18 -ish.
Of course, we weren't planning on people making nude mods. :)
Oh you poor little innocent man...
Oh the humanity...
j/k :D
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I just got Aquaria as part of the Humble Bundle during the holidays. I didn't get around to trying it out as I was out of town for a month and hadn't even heard of it before. I mainly got the bundle because of Osmos and Cortex Command, so Aquaria was a bonus. Turns out this quaint little game is one of my favorites! It reminds me of Ecco the Dolphin, only with more to actually do and interact with. (Though I actually liked Ecco. *shrug*) I actually wish I had paid more for the Humble Bundle than I did, but I paid what I could at the time. Fortunately I can pay more later, and intend to. All of the developers seem to have produced some very nice games, and I am a fan of the Child's Play charity as well.
As for nude mods... Well the first one I ever found was way back when in ye olde days of yore. I happened across a nude mod for Daggerfall. Me being at the time just a teen of course I originally got it for it's psudo pr0n nature, even though all it really did anyway was replace your character's unclothed graphics which were pretty much only used in some UI screens like inventory. heh (Though there were actually a few pixelly naked NPC's in the game as well, no mod needed. heh) Once I started using it, however, something really odd happened. I just grew to really appreciate it from more of an immersion and role playing standpoint, and just because it was nice... rather than erotic. In fact it actually was the seed that started me essentially roleplaying in what was a completely single player game. Yet there I was deliberately organizing my piles of stolen clothing into a decent wardrobe that I could get through and change clothes for specific roles. I would go all dark and menacing for my thieving, armor up good for the dungeon crawls, and for going about town I would put together elaborate outfits and try to do something different nearly every day as I sold shops their wares back to them and tried to act like I wasn't robbing them all blind every night. heh I went so far as to not only dress for bed each night, but to make sure I actually got onto the bed and slept on it. It made the game more fun than just min/maxing all my stats. It actually felt like I was a real character in the game world, and a large part of that was due to no longer having the unrealistic limitation on nudity. And yet I did not simply walk around naked all the time just to admire my nakedness. heh
Anyway, I've been an admirer of nude mods ever since, though particularly for RPG's. I admire the work that's gone into this and thank you for it. I'm just about to try it out.
I don't think the character's appearance will bother me, as it seems to bother others. I'm rather used to Japanese anime and manga where women are often drawn utilizing many visual attributes of prepubescence. This is done not to indicate age, but merely to make them cuter. It is just a stylistic choice. Personally I would be troubled if the nude versions were modified to appear more mature rather than making them match the game's art as closely as possible. Though I would not mind if a separate version were created for people who would prefer it.
I was wondering one thing... Though I suppose it isn't possible or would be extremely difficult. I was wondering if it might be possible to create a mod using these in which you could play the entire game and still acquire all of the normal costumes, but also be able to have the nude versions and the ability to switch between them in game as additional costumes. I suspect that it isn't actually possible to do this, which is unfortunate. As I have not yet played through the entire game I am still quite eager to see all of the costumes and wear them, but also eager to enjoy this mod. Unfortunately I have to choose between them. I suppose I will play for a while as nude then switch back for a while, and so forth. I would really LOVE to be able to decide whether to wear clothes or not actually in the game, though.
At a guess even if it is possible it would likely be a lot of work, and I'm guessing that there's not much work going into the mode anymore. Still, though... I just thought I would bring it up.
Anyway, once again, thank you very much. I'm going to go enjoy your mod now. ;3
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Okay tried it, and love it.
I still want to see the original costumes at some point, but I can wait. I think I'm going to keep this on for a while before I switch.
As an aquatic being it actually feels a bit more natural to me. Somehow clothing underwater just doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me. Armor of course would, but I rather like this. I don't really see any need to adhere to human ideals of modesty. ;p
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Your comment's more than appreciated.
At a certain time I also wondered if I could actually make some kind of in-menu undress button, or something alike, but my lack of knowledge never really allowed me to do that, so it never happened.
It could perhaps be done through some kind of treasure, but that'd be even more complicated, though would look a lot nicer.
Sadly enough, unless this game somehow got super popular again with modders and gets a big community I don't think anything of the like is going to happen, sorry. :c
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Yeah I was wondering about the possibility of doing it via treasures like the game already does for changing outfits, though I don't know if that would work for her other forms. Of course you would also have to add in each of those treasures for the player to get, though I suppose they could just get them at the same time as they get the regular costumes and you could just plunk down the treasures for the forms wherever the songs are learned or something. But just getting as far as even making the treasures all actually work is way beyond me. I haven't even looked into the modding yet. I don't want to spoil the game when I've barely played it. ;p I did that with Morrowind. >,> Got so into mods and modding that I never really played it because I never quite got the game playing the way I wanted it to play. I just sort of gave up on the project.
Maybe if I get further into the game I'll at least peak at some of the modding stuff. Though I also kinda worry if there is some hardcoded upper limit on number of treasures or costumes that might also be a problem. I really haven't a clue. Thanks again for the mod, though. Frankly I think it's beautiful. The art isn't some lewd porn version of the game, but actually seems to fit quite well with the game's aesthetics IMO.
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Not that I wish to be rude or anything but is there some chance of a more sfw version of this mod?
I downloaded it with the intention of using it for editing her sprites, while the mod works well enough for this I keep getting a paranoid feeling a family member could walk in and get the wrong idea.
If such a version does not exist and you have no intentions of creating one I won't bother you about it again. Either way I have enjoyed what this mod has allowed and thank you for making it.
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My first two version of the mod had a "PG" form in it, but it only applied to the main costume, eventually I gave the rest of the costumes the same overhaul.
I still have the PSD, but due to my own stupidity (something that keeps happening to me), I put the brightness of the crotch on the same layer as the base sprite, which would require quite some work to return it to it's original PG state.
The nips and actual slit however I put on another layer.
If you really want it badly and are still playing the game I'll see if I can do something about this, otherwise I'd rather let it be. It's been too long since I made this. 21 now, wasn't even 18 back then.
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Hi,
The download link seems to be broken :( . Could anyone be so kind and re upload this mod ;) .
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From the downloader: http://fg.wzff.de/aqmods/nudemod.aqmod, rename to zip and open it.
Not the original archive/directory structure (seems i lost it), but the files are unchanged.
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Downloaded it and everything works fine. Thanks alot for the help. By the way great mod :-)