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Offline Treewyrm

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My thoughts
« on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:46 am »
Normally I'm very skeptical about modern games, in general I do not like what games have become these days. You see, I'm what some might say "old-school gamer", preferring classics to modern games. Kind of people who have DOSBox full of oldies. I cherish games that make player explore the surroundings, find not only answers to the quests given but also questions when something catches your interest and you wonder what it is and how it works. I applaud games that immense ourselves into the atmosphere of some distant or not, but fantastic world, breathing and living seemingly on its own, watching your actions through the scripts but still a universe on its own right. Much an illusion but so is the art of creating worlds that is making games.

Once I've been told by a fellow collector about a new game, Aquaria was the name, admittedly I didn't went to check at first but I remembered the name later, and when I found it... Ah, that was the moment, the moment of finding a brilliant gem, new and unexplored to me, I wish I could forget and start all over again, such was an impact this game had, only a few games ever had the same on me: Albion and Planescape: Torment.

I find all I have been expecting from this game, and much more. From little details to settings and themes, everything fits, everything is in its own place. The exploration part was very fun. I was missing this element of games for quite a while with the wave of those mindless somewhat rail and linear shooters. Seems like this game have heard my prayers to return to the roots, when games were fun, when exploration was a major element of the gameplay, and adventures felt like they were really happening, when games made player to think, to imagine and take a virtual journey though the worlds beyond. And this is it!

If the games are truly an art, then Aquaria is a masterpiece, without shadow of a doubt. Thank you for your time and effort put into game. I'm looking forward for more of the Aquaria world and other games from Derek and Alec, you have another fan here! Thanks again!

p.s.: Now I'm exploring the second part of Aquaria: the map editor and modding tools. This game is so captivating I may as well leave the current project I'm in to create something for the Aquaria, so attractive it is.

p.p.s.: It really needs soundtrack CD release (or digital distribution, lossless quality, please!).

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Re: My thoughts
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 01:05:30 am »
Thanks for sharing the kind words. It makes me feel very glad that you picked up on the themes and elements of the world fitting together; that was one of our main focuses - wanting to immerse the player in the world, and have the world be something that stands on its own merits, as well as having meaning to it.

I think for me the most fun games are ones that feel like a living, breathing world. (there are many ways that games have managed to capture that for me, including good writing, exploration, dynamic gameplay, audio... etc) I think the big one for me was Final Fantasy VI, because it really felt like the world grew as you progressed. (the game became less linear as you went along) It had little details in it that were there just because they made the world more interesting and fun, not just because they were a game play element.

I like games that let you take time out and just 'exist' within the world, without having to progress.

Anyways, its interesting stuff to think about!

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Re: My thoughts
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 01:53:14 am »
I must say I totally agree with Treewyrm. I'm also someone (even though not raised with) that admires classical games. That mixed with beautifull graphics, a marvelous story and and even more intruiging gameplay in a huge world made Aquaria, I can't say it enough that I like and even love Aquaria.

Also while having a pretty ambient music in the background.  :)

And yes yes yes, Alec, work your ass on it that this gets a OST cd release. >=o
Or are you telling us to wait untill the .000 files would be unpacked and we could get it on our own? o.o
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Re: My thoughts
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 02:29:34 am »
And yes yes yes, Alec, work your ass on it that this gets a OST cd release. >=o
Or are you telling us to wait untill the .000 files would be unpacked and we could get it on our own? o.o

We'll figure out something.

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Re: My thoughts
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 02:46:04 am »
Now to think of it. A while ago I was talking to a friend with whom I used to work together, a gamer much like me, we both were level designers back then (I quit it to pursue other interests while he remained), at one point of our discussion we came to the balance of game elements, the composition issues and all that. And I was telling how unbalanced modern games are and how little they seem to care to make the player to feel the universe through the consciousness, not being immersed into it with the imaginative force of the player but rather pushed with more visuals, rushing into action instead of giving time to observe, to simply walk around and enjoy the surroundings, the process I always felt to be important to the games that aim to create living, breathing worlds.

I believe Aquaria has archived that balance, the harmony where each element of the game is a note in a song, and much like magic songs in the game these also create forms, in right way adding each others abilities rather than overlapping or dominating over other elements.

And that's the thing that caught me, the way the world was revealing itself to the player. Not only though narration, visuals, sounds but also through our own imagination by gently hitting those subtle sub-consciousness nodes, resembling the way the books immense the readers into the worlds they describe. Not being told everything, given questions and not being hit with the answers, answers we sometime wish not to discover only to tickle our imagination a little more. An example would be the first city, when you first find it you do not know what city that is, why is it in such state, no answers are given but only later, bit by bit the puzzle is revealed. So the first impressions are gained by visuals and music theme, giving time for player to imagine and try to come with the theories all while exploring the surroundings and going further.

I find it very important for players to partake in the world creation while playing the game, to add something that isn't there through the imagination. Filling those gaps that are carefully put into the game. Completely different interactivity, something that I felt the old games had. In their age they simply had it because of the technical limitations, but those are more or less gone, and with them gone that higher level of interaction between the game and the player. The visuals, I find them like a guidance to the theme, and music setting our mood, giving hints while allowing much for player to think and to imagine what isn't seen in the game, but assumed to be or may be not. Like player giving a bit of self to the game, and thus making it truly two-side adventure, where both game itself and player's imagination are working together for full enjoyment.
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Re: My thoughts
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2008, 05:46:00 am »
Tree, I love you. Period.

 
Ya know, in a non creepy way.   :P
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2008, 07:29:27 am »
This thread wins.
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Re: My thoughts
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2008, 08:29:27 am »
I feel the same way about all of the above. Most of the writing in this thread makes me inspired to make my own game.

I've had lots of ideas floating around in my head, too many. I need an artist.  :P


Like it's been said, these games are very hard to come by. I recently purchased a little game called, Shadow of the Colossus, dear lord! Not only are you able to explore and area hlaf the size of a continent but the enemies in the game are (almost) all thirty stories high. It also has one of the best game soundtracks I've ever heard (don't worry Alec, I haven't been able to play Aquaria yet).  If you ever choose to own a PS2, it's a must.

Sadly, the soundtrack was never released in America, here's a link to the album and two of my favorite tracks:
http://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/shadow-of-the-colossus-ost
http://208.53.158.138/soundtracks/shadow-of-the-colossus-ost/ouarevniyf/12-a-violent-encounter-battle-with-the-colossus-.mp3
http://208.53.158.138/soundtracks/shadow-of-the-colossus-ost/yqjisjosbf/18-the-farthest-land.mp3

Here's video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGO5XEjEp_M&feature=related


For now I'll have to keep editing my Ferazel's Wand level set, and wait to create my own Aquaria world. :D

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Re: My thoughts
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2008, 02:53:50 pm »
Ditto Hiro :D

I just wish that Li wouldn't keep getting caught up on things other than that Aquaria is perfect :D

And Twojacks thank you for the links I've just been watching different videos of that game and I know someone who might like to play it, if he already hasn't but not me it looks like a lot of crazy button work is needed for it  ::)
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/485144/Tiger%20Tank.mp3

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Re: My thoughts
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2008, 10:13:36 pm »
And Twojacks thank you for the links I've just been watching different videos of that game and I know someone who might like to play it, if he already hasn't but not me it looks like a lot of crazy button work is needed for it  ::)
Square button: Sword, R1 button: Hold/grab onto, Circle button: Draw the light, Triangle: Jump, Left analog stick: Move, D-pad: change weapon.

It's really quite simple, the hard part is getting to the colossi and their vitals.

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Re: My thoughts
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 10:51:52 pm »
Oh it's not for the PC then? Well that means I can't play it any way but my son has the means I'm sure :D It does look awesome but I would miss the swimming bit of Aquaria :D

I joined Second Life for a short while and only left it because after a week or two I was finding it hard to find places where I could just fly around :(
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/485144/Tiger%20Tank.mp3

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