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Offline Xiagan

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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2008, 11:35:13 am »
That may look funny when he swims... ^^
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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2008, 12:47:59 pm »
alec, I suggest you consider what you're implying by that :D

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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2008, 05:19:10 pm »
Alec, just send me the Li sprites, including the ones on the end of the game, saves me work. ^-^
And I'll start working on it.

Also, I have no problem with nudity of both sexes, I'm someone who likes both sexes, but the majority of mankind likes female more then males, so it was only logical. =p
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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2008, 07:02:00 pm »
the majority of mankind [on the internets] likes female more then males
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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2008, 07:19:03 pm »
No, generally in the world too, there are 50 million more men on the world and I wanna bet that there are more bi and lesbian females then bi and gay men, so that figures.
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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2008, 07:20:30 pm »
I wanna bet that there are more bi and lesbian females then bi and gay men, so that figures.

Maybe, but how many of them are actually hot. :'(

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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2008, 07:45:12 pm »
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total population: 1.014 male(s)/female (2007 est.)
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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2008, 10:34:29 pm »
I hope no one thinks it is weird to have the male nude counterpart? After all, I'm a (straight) female and I have no problem with nude images of females, so why should any males be so insecure with seeing other males in the nude? I know jokes are made of it, since male bodies are either seen as comical or masculine, but generally never tend to be thought of as aesthetically pleasing. Both bodies are beautiful, just think Greek. And thank you, Alec, for your support.  :)

And Alphasoldier, if you're the one to make the mod I have complete faith in it looking fair and very nice looking.  ;) The Naija nude you made was very natural and almost seemed to take on more animal-like traits.
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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2008, 11:01:45 pm »
I'm a (straight) female and I have no problem with nude images of females


Prove that statement, plz.

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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2008, 12:09:57 am »
Ha! @ Zam

And well, like I said send me the Li sprites and I'll try to work it out, and thank you very much Lissar. ^_^ Even though I have more experience with drawing female bits then male bits, EVEN if it's pixelwork.

And about the men thing, I don't know really, alot of men just don't like staring at other people their weeners, makes them propably doubt about their own size or how much more pretty that one looks. =p

I'm way too feminine for my own good. -_-;

EDIT: I got the Li sprites from Alec, I'm gonna work on it tomorrow, first I need sleep.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2008, 12:50:52 am by Alphasoldier »
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Re: Naija sprites, and thoughts on nude modifications thereof
« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2008, 02:58:52 am »
There are some sad, disturbing implications to all this effort expended nudifying Naija. Why do you folks so strongly desire such sexual representation in the first place?  I highly doubt anyone here who suggests that they're just innocently making and/or using these graphics out a sincere, genuine admiration for her nude female form, because if you believe that, you're lying to yourself.  ???

My confusion stems from the fact that Naija, as she is shown from within the game, doesn't engender any obvious feelings of lust. Granted, there are examples in existing fan-art where Naija is depicted in ways that men could find arousing, but men can be sexually excited by anything, regardless of an artist's intent or a piece's context (sad fact  :-\)...

...So, while some of these works present Naija as beautiful but not especially alluring (re: not slutty), and this could hardly be construed at most even as merely titillating (meaning you'd have to really work your imagination over, pervert), there are other pieces of fan "artistry" *roll* that are  blatantly salacious (a fish-breast sandwich, anyone?).  Yet all of  those works lie outside of the scope of Derek and Alec's official creations. Beyond a bit of harmless cleavage, nothing about Naija as she is in the game suggests the kind of  anatomy or behavior that would make anyone yearn to see her naked. Not that most men here need much in the way of motivation to want to see that sort of thing anyway- hence the creation those more lascivious drawings of Naija. Although only one or two posters are honestly vocal about it, the vast majority of male players who download AS's nude modification are doing so out of purely puerile and perverted intent: whatever they might claim otherwise, they're now still free to use that naked imagery of her to indulge their sad, little fantasies. Have fun.  :(

I'd like to make it clear that there is, in and of itself, nothing "wrong" with the  nude modification that Alphasoldier created (and I am not just saying that because it has already been completed). The fact is, it's very well done, considering how a similar project could have turned out under a different hand. He drew the rest of Naija's torso, her breasts and her genitalia all very naturally, without adding any vulgar qualities (her privates aren't spread-eagled) or ridiculous endowments (no implants, or constantly aroused, distended nipples).  He could have even lewdly altered Naija's default facial expression, but chose not to. I believe, as he says, that AS really does care for his work in way, and on some level sort of respects Naija. His re-skinning work was executed tastefully and the end-result is a good-looking naked Naija. It's not aiming to be erotically stimulating, or lustfully arousing, just to show us a pretty looking naked teal-skined sea-girl. Ideally, I would hope most  guys could similarly admire nudity, without wanting to watch it just to get an erection. I find fault not with with the illustrations, but with what they will be used for.


Moving on...

Given that the graphical style of Aquaria doesn't demand excruciating attention to realistic detail, it's tempting for a certain audience that only pays attention to a few choice bits to call any nude art wonderful as long as a few anatomical features are presented to said audience's satisfaction. But making a nude male figure is more difficult- it isn't as easy to distract from fudged proportions or cartoon-ish features by exaggerating naughty bits. Never mind that I highly suspect most of the players who are using Naija's nude sprite are not going to download a nude Li mod; I still will, and I want to see it looking as good as his freshman effort, especially seeing as how it will be of a gender I can identify with on anatomy.  ;) However, as Alphasoldier's work is not on any level mediocre or poorly done, I have no such concerns about his upcoming modification of Li's sprite library.

After all, since we made Naija be naked, it actually makes sense to have Li now be naked with her-  it would be hardly be fair either to him or her if they couldn't enjoy being naked with each other, right? ^-^ Yes, I do have a sense of humor, and yes, I have an appreciation for nudity, both in natural and erotic contexts- and I recognize that there are even situations where the natural overlaps into the erotic, and that it is still enjoyable and perfectly acceptable to be stimulated by it.  But not all individuals can understand that when something clearly from the former category is artificially forced into the latter, it does not belong there- and should not be "used" as such. And this point, I'm not even referring to AS' relatively innocuous mod, but to some lovely bits of fan-art I had the misfortune of uncovering at an earlier point in time. Should you have happened across these works, and, being of the mind-set I've outlined, enjoyed them, then this post squarely indicts you. !@$!*$@# sick. And beyond pathetic, needless to say.

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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2008, 03:06:20 am »
Eh, nothing wrong with some nudity.

I also don't see the harm in people fantasying about whatever they want - its their business. If it bothers you, then stop thinking about it so much. ;)

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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2008, 03:54:15 am »
Eh, nothing wrong with some nudity.

I agree.

But I'm more of the mindset of Draiden right now, because after I've fallen in love with a character and her story, the people she interacts with, and the sympathy you feel for her, it's difficult to contend with others who may place her on a more base level. I know I'm female, I know many will not take me seriously (as I'm crashing the "male party"), but I know I'm not the only person (male or female) on this forum who may feel saddened at the thought of, now, one of my favorite female heroines being depicted in a cruder light. I understand I'm just one opinion. I'm not out to change anyone, I'm just asking people to understand how I (and others) feel about Naija being turned into a sexual creature. I guess what I'm asking is that if you feel the need to talk about Naija sexually, do it off the Aquaria forums where it is easily found and can offend people, or to clearly mark in the future the title of the forum that embodies any of this talk so that some people know to stay clear (which in some cases, these are already marked). Probably not feasible, but I'm just asking. It's hard to ignore these instances when you want to enter a forum and have a conversation regarding gameplay or the story, and another conversation has or is started regarding a topic or comment you didn't want to see. Some of it is not really offensive, but there are some things that are said that do offend fans like myself, and you may not realize it.  However, not to get into a discussion I close the forum and walk away, but it leaves me feeling negative or disappointed. One reason I was happy to play Aquaria (and to me this is a very big reason) was that it was not lewd or offensive to female players in anyway. It was very neutral with no sexual tone. I felt so elated to play a game that was radically different from Tomb Raider and the like. I still want to feel this way about Aquaria as I think it has helped put female characters in a very respectful and beautiful light, however it hasn't lasted long. I'm sure most people will tell me the answer to my problem is to stay off the Aquaria forums, but there's got to be a better answer. Sorry to be the female who raises who voice; I'm sure to anger some people which is not at all what I want to do.
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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2008, 04:04:43 am »
I think its kinda funny, because it was clearly marked and could be easily avoided, yet people still think they need to be offended.

If you have an issue with nudity, don't download the files and check them out.

As for "turning character into sexual objects", nobody has done that beyond their own imagination. People have their own views, and you're essentially trying to force your views upon them and tell them what they can and cannot imagine.

Nobody here has tried to enforce their views on you. (in fact, they clearly marked the download off with large red warning text to ensure that people who are easily offended by nudity could avoid it altogether)

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Re: Naija sprites
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2008, 04:09:05 am »
Further, I know AlphaSoldier is working on a naked version of Li.

My question to you: are you going to be offended by that as well? What if some men here start fantasizing about naked Li? Should that be banned?