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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2008, 05:13:08 pm »
I too thought a bounty might be warranted...unofortunately I don't have the money at the moment or I would frankly, put it up myself.

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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2008, 12:26:07 am »
I'm aware that it might be a bit of a more cheap and not as interesting alternative, but a TAS of Aquaria may be sure to follow.

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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2008, 02:44:00 am »
I think TAS only work for games that can be used on emulators that have savestates.

Anyways, the only recording program I'm familiar with is FRAPS, though there may be others that are more-preferred within the speedrunning community.. though FRAPS should get the job done.

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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2008, 03:46:48 am »
I'm certain there are better.  Fraps' files are HUGE whenever I make vids that are only like, 5 minutes long.  To run Aquaria it would take an hour or so (unless sum1 finds a massive sequence break) and I suspect the filesize would be in the hundreds of gigabytes using Fraps.

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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2008, 11:56:06 am »
Camtasia is a very good proggy for it.
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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2008, 06:07:51 am »
Gonna bump this now, there were some interesting posts in the SDA thread. Although no one actually said they're planning a run, user groobo posted some neat sequence breaks, notably in order to get to the veil early and bypass the tentacle blocking the body, which allows you to skip Beast form and Li / Sunken City entirely, apparently. The Veil trick strikes me as particularly clever, the Body shortcut is more like "wow that's so obvious that I guess no one tried it". In any case sequence breaking is half of what makes these things fun.

groobo goes on to outline the optimal route as energy -> nature -> sun -> dual, which is probably correct. Sun and Nature are probably interchangeable unless there's a viable briarhopping shortcut somewhere.

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Oh, and I might have found a shortcut of my own! I was playing around and discovered that it is possible to get into the Sun Temple from the east side. What you have to do is jump up to the area where the Roc is. Normally jumping off to the left wouldn't give you enough momentum to reach the ledge where the Sun Temple is, but if you use Nature form and plant a briar under your feet, it'll shoot you with a much higher initial velocity than you'd normally have, and if you angle it correctly you can reach the ledge above the Sun Temple's east side... from here it should be a simple matter of briarhopping up the glass tube leading to the memory, and then either dropping down into the temple or possibly continuing left into the boss chamber shortcut.

Only downside is that it probably requires beastform to get up to the roc's area to begin with, and it doesn't save enough time to justify going to Mithrala if that can be skipped entirely. Maybe you could use a trick similar to the one used to bypass the current leading into the Veil, but I kinda doubt it.

At the least, the briar superjump could probably be used in order to climb up the left side of the sun temple quickly, although launching yourself at the right angle seems pretty difficult.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 06:39:35 am by kite »

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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2008, 08:14:26 am »
Actually, ALOT of people did the body thing.  And it broke the game.  So  Alec patched it.  That glitch is no longer possible to my knowledge.

Also, I did that very trick to get to the Sun Temple worm early.  And no you do not need Beast form to get to the Ruk as far as I know.  I posted about that in the briar rocketing discussion I think...the only problem is I SUCK at the sun temple worm.  You can get TO him easy (well...if you're good at briar wall-climbing) but he's still as much of a bitch to fight...

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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2008, 09:05:42 am »
Okay... just as well with the body thing, since it seemed kinda dumb and broke the game's plot. The Veil trick is creative enough though that I hope it isn't patched, it actually seems fairly difficult to reproduce.

And I guess I missed the discussions on briar rocketing, was probably done before I played the game. I remember you mentioning that you managed to climb up the sun temple, I figured it was done on the west side by climbing the wall, and not the east. How do you get up to the Roc Ruk without Beast form, though? There's a strong current blocking the normal passage that leads up to the Ruk, and I couldn't think of any other way to bypass it.

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Oh, you did mention briar "rocketing", my bad. Well, if it's possible to do it without beast form, that would be another huge timesaver. However, if you can't skip the Sunken City, it seems like you'd have to get Beast Form anyways to beat the Golem Boss (right?), which kinda sucks.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 09:10:31 am by kite »

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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2008, 06:02:36 pm »
This is true...they really make sure you need all the forms at some point.  Also for some reason I thought that it was only semi-strong current to get to the ruk, which doesn't require beast form, but is made easier by it.

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It seems I was mistaken.  You do need beast form.  But as you said, you need beast form for the Golem.  I could not find any way up to the Ruk's nest without using beast form...but since it's needed that's still a viable trick (but it took me like...20 minutes to do it) that requires prodigious briar-hopping skillz.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 06:09:59 pm by Glamador »

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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2008, 08:26:13 pm »
Well, I think it's probably safe to say that groobo will be doing a run on the game sometime.

Unfortunately (imo), it will make profligate use of the food duping exploit, the Sunken City skip, etc.

Which I suppose is better than nothing, but it doesn't show the game at its finest. Oh well. Maybe they'll allow a separate run on a patched version without those tricks.

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Re: Aquaria Speed Runs **Spoilers**
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2008, 11:38:31 pm »
I think it should be a rule that all games be run on the patched version.  Sure glitches are speedier, but if they've fixed them at the time the run is done...it shouldn't be allowed.

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