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Offline Alec

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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #105 on: February 11, 2008, 05:34:20 pm »
Yup, he forgot, as it seems. And I like that part of the storyline very much, I said I found the reactions of both characters very realistic. But still, it is a very much  creepy scene if you imagine it from a first person view, pretending not knowing the events that predate it.

I think that sometimes Naija can be a frightening character.  She's practically a dangerous predator. The beast form is good symbol of that aspect, that's why I liked a previous fanart depicting her as repulsive monster.  Sometimes she does things, that are, let's just say, not too environmentally sensitive. One of the oddest scene's of the game is when you venture into the nest of Nautilus Prime, kill the big momma, and raise a little nautilus made orphan by your own actions.

I think, this lack of  strict definiton of good and evil in the characters of Aquaria is an important element of the story. Think of the Creator, Naija's mom, Naija herself. Also, we are the most cruel predators of Earth, yet we don't like seeing ourselves like this.  In the end, this duality of the characters becomes a sensitive description of the nature of humanity.

That is why I would hate if this aspect of Aquaria never got adressed. It's sure relaxing to view her as the cute little girl that she is, but the other aspects of her character are the things that make her really interesting, and not just another reincarnation of  disney's little mermaid.

Its interesting, Naija questions her own motivations at various points as well... and often times when her motivation seems clear, it becomes more questionable if what she's doing is necessarily good or not.

Its interesting to see people's reactions to various things in the game. I was recently reflecting on the ending, and how its generally assumed that Naija's family with Li is a happy one. However, there isn't really much evidence to support what the relationship would be like, whether or not it was actually happy. Right after the scene with the baby, there's the pan back up to the original cave and Naija's line about:

"I longed for the feeling of discovering new waters - striving for a destination that lay just beyond the next wave..."

then in her cave, as she's sitting on the rock just like at the beginning of the game

"...it would never come again"


That was in part intended to mirror how the player might feel at the end of the game, knowing that its ending... and realizing that they'll never be able to play it for the first time again.

But it also brings up some interesting questions about Naija; is she really happy staying at home "burping babies and changing diapers"?

Another interesting angle is the theme of feminism. You could look at the game as Naija finding her own way and defeating the 'Creator', a powerful male figure, who was idealizing her as his companion. Naija also leads Li around for the game and is the one who rescues him, which is a flip on the traditional idea of "saving the princess".

However, Naija ends up settling down with Li and becoming a mother, which suggests that she's not totally independent.

In the extended ending, Mia returns and also brings back the idea of female independence, but this time to a further extreme. Also, Naija is enslaved to her in that sequence, so it suggests that perhaps the female power has taken over and is now the force that has to be overthrown.

The Creator I view as being mainly an innocent being, granted an immense amount of power - and he is not aware of how to be responsible for it.


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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #106 on: February 11, 2008, 05:54:40 pm »
Well I've always thought that the best relationship is one where each partner relies on the other, complimenting each other if you will.  In that manner, I felt Li didn't really live up to that.  He was more like a pet really.  Obviously he couldn't talk under water, but he could have had body language or something to show his affection in some other way.  Maybe have upgrades for Li sometime?  Instead of just new forms for Naija, there might have been something that only Li could use, lost technology or the sort.  I don't know...I've made it clear that I never really liked Li, but everybody finds there own happiness.  If Naija likes exploration and danger, well, then she shouldn't have had a child when she still had life left to live.  It's a common mistake among women who want to be mothers, especially young ones.

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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #107 on: February 11, 2008, 06:06:06 pm »
Right after the scene with the baby, there's the pan back up to the original cave and Naija's line about:

"I longed for the feeling of discovering new waters - striving for a destination that lay just beyond the next wave..."

then in her cave, as she's sitting on the rock just like at the beginning of the game

"...it would never come again"
I thought it was cool how if you're watching closely as the scene fades, you'll notice that Naija is frowning.

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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #108 on: February 11, 2008, 07:26:09 pm »
He was more like a pet really.  Obviously he couldn't talk under water, but he could have had body language or something to show his affection in some other way.

Yeah, we had some more things planned for Li. I may get around to adding some additions to his behavior into a patch. I don't think it would change the game play substantially, but it might give him a bit more character.

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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #109 on: February 11, 2008, 10:00:25 pm »
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Standard Disclaimer: These are my own views. I think there's room for multiple interpretations of the game, and I don't intend to disrupt anyone else's views on the matter by sharing mine.

Well Alec, since you and Derek are the creators of Naija (or at least responsible for it. Creations have the habit of starting a life of their own in your head), in the end, it's your view that really matters. Just make sure you leave enough blurry areas for us to brag about endlessly. :)

Now that I think of Li a little more, I realized that I have a funny relation to the game as a player. Being a male, I never really identified Naija as a representation of myself. I felt more like an observer, or invisible companion. I never liked Li, and if I'm honest, it's because I viewed him as another male, standing between me and Naija.

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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #110 on: February 11, 2008, 10:13:41 pm »
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That was in part intended to mirror how the player might feel at the end of the game, knowing that its ending... and realizing that they'll never be able to play it for the first time again.

This is just too cruel. You had to remind me, hadn't you? :) Ever since I hit the credits scene, it's just not the same anymore...

ummmm.... when is the sequel coming, again?  ;D

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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #111 on: February 11, 2008, 10:45:17 pm »
I concur with Mugodz, the second I read that I realized that. But I guess this is why there will be mods. I pretty much know every corner of Aquaria now... I wish I had some sort of memory eraser thing now to play it again in it's full glory.

And one thing I still wonder... all the things in Aquaria, like the things of feminism, the creator, Eric's emotions and stuff, did you all plan this out, did you have a start and ending and a few keywords in between, did you two make it up as you went or something else?
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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #112 on: February 12, 2008, 08:36:39 am »
We didn't really aim to put certain themes in, I'm more realizing this stuff after the game has been finished for a while after reflecting back on it.

I think its because we did things that seemed personally interesting to us... there are some parts of the game that seem like symbols of events in my life that were happening while I was working on the game.

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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #113 on: February 12, 2008, 11:03:45 am »
The wonderful world of the subconscious.

You got me wondering what parts that are though cause a lot of things in this game have heavy emotions attached to them. Kind of makes me worry.
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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #114 on: February 25, 2008, 10:14:24 pm »
my next foray into Aquarian artdom, and you thought I'd for sure do Nature form next  ;)




click here for a larger version, lots of the pen detail gets lost when you reduce the image size
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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #115 on: February 25, 2008, 10:32:57 pm »
Amazing! That's a very cool style of drawing! I like the pic, even when Naija looks a bit serious (on the other side, she is in the abyss...). ;)
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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #116 on: February 26, 2008, 09:30:01 am »
Awesome, very nice drawing style, I just wonder what's in the top left corner, it looks like a eye of a fish, maybe a whale or something.
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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #117 on: February 26, 2008, 05:55:10 pm »
thanks  :)  the next one planned is not serious at all actually. and yep that's a something in the corner there
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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #118 on: February 26, 2008, 08:08:44 pm »
What is it? The piranha like think in the cave? Wolf or something? Or that thing that dashes to you, the one in the Abyss anyway?
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Re: Aquaria fanart [spoilers]
« Reply #119 on: February 26, 2008, 10:46:08 pm »
Awesome!  I can't wait to get these on the fanart page, and I definitely can't wait to see the next one!  Your style is very distinctive - I love it. ^-^