Playing without Auto Aim?

[Braiba]

Just wondering how many other people have auto-aim turned off. I assume I'm in the minority here, but I'm interested to see how small a minority it actually is.

Also, if you are playing (/have played) without auto-aim, where do you think it's made the most difference? So far I think the eye monsters in the cathedral was the place where it would have helped most, although actually once I'd managed to kill one of them, the other two didn't actually cause me any trouble at all. I've still got a fair way to go though, and a couple of the bosses that I've stumbled upon early (I hope) seem like they'll be a fair bit harder.

[Drift]

wait, there's auto-aim?

[Lingwo]

I've been using auto aim. I find it pretty easy to use. In the cathedral i found it aiming at the right part of the cores. Only thing sometimes is annoying is when you're fighting multiple enemies it will sometimes aim for the weaker ones and i'll have to manually target the stronger ones.

I think having auto aim off will increase the difficulty. Perhaps i'll switch it off for a second play through, but for now i'll stick with auto aim.

[dhakkel]

Wow, this would be nearly impossible later on without auto-aim. There are times you MUST be swimming away from a boss while firing on it, times where you have to be moving during the bosses weak moment, or you will just die before you can kill it.

So yeah, good luck. It would be nice if you could finish it!

[Braiba]

Wow, this would be nearly impossible later on without auto-aim. There are times you MUST be swimming away from a boss while firing on it, times where you have to be moving during the bosses weak moment, or you will just die before you can kill it.

Yeah, I'm guessing the Sun Temple boss is one of those times. So far I've managed to get away with darting and then shooting a few times before I have to move again, but this guy requires so much dodging, plus the area where it actually takes damage is absolutely tiny.

I'm guessing the option to turn auto-aim off was intended for people who use the keyboard for movement, but hey, it makes for a fun challenge. Also means that the charge attack for the energy form is actually worth using in combat.

So yeah, good luck. It would be nice if you could finish it!

Thanks. I have been mauled by the Sun Temple boss a fair few times now though, so I may have to give up on my little challenge soon, but I'm going to stock up on healing items and give it another few goes first. I managed to get to his third stage (rapid fireballs) with only 2 healing items, so it seems like it should be possible, assuming he doesn't have more than four or five phases.

[dhakkel]

Have you been down to the Abyss yet? I know I did Sun Temple before that but a lot of people do Abyss first then Sun Temple.

Would be nice to hear you managed the Abyss without auto aim .

[MisterX]

I've only played the demo so far, but using the mouse only I turned auto-aim off while keeping enemy targeting on. The reason simply is that I didn't like automatically shooting those innocent cutesy fish (and other creatures) So when I'm actually fighting enemies I can still attack them by holding the right mouse button and tagging them with the cursor.
Just probably for later bosses or fights I would turn auto-aim on again as it's easier.

[Zabycx]

Yes, I play with Auto Aim off. This is an example of where Bit-Blot needs more documentation. You see the second checkbox: Enemy Targetting? What that does is when you hold down Right Mouse for a split second and move the cursor over anything, that becomes your target, which then behaves like Auto Aiming, except you choose the target! No auto lockon to some completely insignificant fish swimming by. It's even more important for bosses that spit out enemies so you're not constantly shooting them. It is really the only way to play.

[dhakkel]

Uh, no, it isn't. When fighting groups of like 20 ammonites, you need to auto aim without locking on first. Forget charging up and locking on to each one individually, sheesh.

[Zabycx]

Except you don't have to do any kind of charging at all, just RMB and wave over an enemy.

[dhakkel]

Yeah, true, I actually didn't really notice that until really late in the game. Still, would be very annoying and you'd get hit a lot more!

Idk, I just don't find the fun in making explore 'em ups challenging. The fun is in discovering new stuff, the enemies are just obstacles between you and new stuff.

Obviously not saying no one SHOULD, I just find it hard to think along the same brainwaves .

[chiablo]

I'll finish the game using the mouse+autoaim.  Then a second time with a gamepad+autoaim, a third time with gamepad+no autoaim, then finally mouse with no auto-aim.

I think that'll make a nice progression in difficulty for an already difficult game.

[Zabycx]

Why would mouse+no autoaim be harder than gamepad and no autoaim?

A separate question: Who is playing with the mouse only? I find it significantly more natural to use the keyboard for movement and mouse for singing/shooting. It surprises me that isn't in tutorial tips, as moving and shooting both with just the mouse is much harder.

[dhakkel]

I only used keyboard movement for one action during the final boss, I did everything else with mouse only.

..except switch forms, for some of the bosses. Sorry but it's so hard to switch forms quickly and not die on some of them .

[Braiba]

*** GENERAL SPOILER WARNING ***
There's nothing massivly spoiling here or anything, but this topic is slipping into spoiler area, plus I'm giving major boss tactics here, which some people may with to avoid.

Have you been down to the Abyss yet? I know I did Sun Temple before that but a lot of people do Abyss first then Sun Temple.

I can't see how you'd manage that, unless the darkness in the Abyss clears up once you get past the first bit (I've managed to navigate a few of the dark areas without light, but the spikes in the Abyss scared me off trying that there). Or is there another light source I don't know about?

Would be nice to hear you managed the Abyss without auto aim .

Just beat the Sun Temple boss, so I'll be heading there now. *fingers crossed*
If you're interested, the way I beat that boss was a combination of health food (duh), speed food (to avoid water flow while in energy form) and blast boosting food (again, duh). However, none of those things were what won me the fight; what won me the fight was my single spider roll, which is the single most useful item in that fight by a huge margin. It had been sitting in my inventory since I found it, because I assumed it would be really lame, however it's actually amazingly good. If I hadn't managed to win that time I would have just run off, made another seven, returned to the boss, then sat back and laughed while I blasted him to pieces, almost certainly not needing any other item.

Why would mouse+no autoaim be harder than gamepad and no autoaim?

Assuming the gamepad has dual analog, you'd still have independent movement and aiming. I assume that's what chiablo meant anyway.


Oh, and I do have enemy targeting turned off as well, by the way.