The ending, final boss, etc. [Obviously spoilers]

[Alphasoldier]

Well, at least I got a clear answer from Alec himself. =p Sorry for being  such an ass.

Also, I wonder if we are going to be explained how the creator got his powers in the second part. x3

[KingAl]

I still hard believe that the creator recreated the city, just because of the reason that it is almost impossible that it's very deep in the ocean, even under the most things.

I think that was Alec's point about the fact that it's a 3D world - there is plenty of open ocean behind the area in which you play. When things sink, they do sink 'very deep in the ocean', as long as they're denser than what lies below them.

And about the door, he just wanted Li with you to annihilate him, right?

I figured that the door was just a relic from the city, and Li happened to be from a similar city so could open it. It's a fairly study-looking metallic door, not half as fragile as brick-and-mortar. I assume the Creator's kidnapping was a spur-of-the-moment thing after he perceived Naija with Li through Eric - as he explains, he was lonely, so he needed bait to draw you to him. That, or he's myopic and meant to take you instead

IceD, I like the idea of the city being a symbol of the 'weakness and vanity of humankind' - and I don't think its literal nature necessarily precludes that interpretation. Hell, the whole game revolves around the Creator's weakness and vanity in contrast with Naija's selflessness.

But anyway, yay for people actually agreeing with me now -.-

[IceD]

I still hard believe that the creator recreated the city, just because of the reason that it is almost impossible that it's very deep in the ocean, even under the most things.

I think that was Alec's point about the fact that it's a 3D world - there is plenty of open ocean behind the area in which you play. When things sink, they do sink 'very deep in the ocean', as long as they're denser than what lies below them.

And about the door, he just wanted Li with you to annihilate him, right?

I figured that the door was just a relic from the city, and Li happened to be from a similar city so could open it. It's a fairly study-looking metallic door, not half as fragile as brick-and-mortar. I assume the Creator's kidnapping was a spur-of-the-moment thing after he perceived Naija with Li through Eric - as he explains, he was lonely, so he needed bait to draw you to him. That, or he's myopic and meant to take you instead

IceD, I like the idea of the city being a symbol of the 'weakness and vanity of humankind' - and I don't think its literal nature necessarily precludes that interpretation. Hell, the whole game revolves around the Creator's weakness and vanity in contrast with Naija's selflessness.

But anyway, yay for people actually agreeing with me now -.-

Yeah, I just got a little oveboard . Too much sf and fantasy stories read to see such simple truth now 

[Alphasoldier]

Sorry, KingAl, but I just wanted to be sure, so sorry to you too Alec, but I did got you to talk.

[Alec]

The sunken city is under the direct influence of Eric's mind due to the nature of it being the place where he died, making the link between the spirit world and the material world stronger. Since he was the one chosen to become the Creator, he has additional powers beyond the other spirits close to him that are called back. (his girlfriend, his mom and his dad) He tried to rebuild the city as best he could from whatever ruins were left.

The level represents his inner state, which is why you have a human door, a long narrow passage that goes deeper into a twisted cave. (Eric's self-expression/feelings made manifest)

I think Eric rebuilt the door as a compromise with the Creator. The Creator probably wanted to seal it off forever or destroy it, but Eric "argued" for rebuilding that door - secretly hoping that someone would eventually find him.

The second section is like reliving Eric's past; you're digging deeper into his subconscious to get to the truth of what he is. Its not until you get to his most vulnerable place (his relationship with his parents -> the mom&dad boss) and until you become a symbol of the disaster at the beginning of the game (you destroy his parents) that the Creator is able exploit Eric's weakness to find his location and reach in to capture Li as bait.

In terms of the Creator as a character, he's ashamed of his human part, but then his human part itself misses other humans and wants to just be a kid again. He's very conflicted in that sense. Part of the cycle of creation and destruction was that he would create something and then become ashamed of it, because it reminded him too much of himself (probably in the case of the Krotites) or because it wasn't enough like his ideal "perfect woman". (something like the Erulians or Druniads, who were pretty in a sense but not conscious on the level of a human being)

When he did manage to create the "perfect woman" (Mia; as in the only woman he could truly fall in love with) she was far too good for him; she had her own free will and desires and wanted to live her own life. She broke free and tried to raise Naija away from the Creator. However, he pursued her with his minions and forced her to keep running and trying to raise Naija in different areas of Aquaria. Eventually Mia discovered the Mithalan Priests and used their power to hide from the Creator and manipulate Naija into destroying the Creator. (Naija has different powers than Mia, which would be one of the points elaborated on in the sequel.)

[IceD]

Now I know, how really deeper sense this game has. I've always felt like it is complicated in terms of understanding, but never that much 

Amazing how you create things. 

[Cruxx]

 The creator wanted to create Mia as someone he could love? Thats funny because on playing the game and watching through the ending, thats not something that really rubs off . First off, the fact that the creator and eric are two seperate entities is hard to gather, but i thought that the Creator/Eric/Small boy who he apparently really is wanted just company or something akin to a mother?

[Xiagan]

 The creator wanted to create Mia as someone he could love? Thats funny because on playing the game and watching through the ending, thats not something that really rubs off . First off, the fact that the creator and eric are two seperate entities is hard to gather, but i thought that the Creator/Eric/Small boy who he apparently really is wanted just company or something akin to a mother?

Never heard of the oedipus complex?

And the creator and Eric are not two separate entities but two parts of the same entity, right?

[Alec]

The intro the first time you run the game shows Naija very faintly as Eric internally says "Mother" as he loses consciousness after drowning.

At the end he explains that he was trying to recreate the love he felt from his Mother. Once he transformed after dying, he felt totally alone. (a lot of the themes in the game revolve around feeling alone; see Naija) He both set out to make companions and eventually (as his skill at creating life got better) make a lover, or a replacement for the love he felt from his mother.

(Freud, eat your heart out?)

In the Sunken City you lure the spirit of the human girl that he loved towards him with flowers. There's an extra connection there that Nature Form is the form that lures her. (the Forest Goddess is partly based on his memory of the human girl, partly on his Mother. the idea being that "woman" to him is an uncontrollable force of nature that can break his heart at any moment, which ends up being what happens with Mia.)

At the end of the game, Mia has escaped him, but he is still desperately lonely, so he decides to try to keep Naija as his companion.

In terms of how much lust enters the equation, the Creator is a guy after all. He never grew up enough to have a mature relationship, but he was probably old enough to have some dirty thoughts.

[Alec]

Let me post this as well. I was kind of waiting for someone to discover this, but what the heck.

The song that you hear throughout the game, Eric's mother's song that you end up singing to him in the sunken city and the song that becomes the Verse, actually has an internal name. Its called "Anima".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_%28Jung%29

The feminine inner personality, as present in the unconscious of the male, is anima. It is in contrast to the animus, which represents masculine characteristics in the female. It can be identified as all of the unconscious feminine psychological qualities that a male possesses. In a film interview, Jung was not clear if the anima/animus archetype was totally unconscious, calling it "a little bit conscious"[citation needed] and unconscious. In the interview, he gave an example of a man who falls head over heels in love, then later in life regrets his blind choice as he finds that he has married his own anima–the unconscious idea of the feminine in his mind, rather than the woman herself. The anima is usually an aggregate of a man's mother but may also incorporate aspects of sisters, aunts, and teachers.

Essentially the Creator is trying to make his Anima manifest.

Also interesting to check out in that article is "Levels of anima development". It kind lines up with the game in interesting ways. (I discovered this after the game was nearly done, which kinda blew my mind!)

The fourth and final phase of anima development is Sophia, as previously mentioned for the Greek word for wisdom. Proper union and harmony now has taken place which allows females to posses combinations of virtuous and earthly qualities. The most important aspect of this final level is that, as the personification "Wisdom" suggests, the anima is now developed enough that no single object can fully and permanently contain the images related to the anima. As this point as well, this now esoterically understood feminine principle has the potential to be possessed by any person, male or female, although it is not necessarily possessed by any.

Way before I knew any of this, back at the beginning of the game when were trying to pick an interesting name for the main character, we stumbled across a page of Indian names. We picked "Naija", which meant "daughter of wisdom".

[Xiagan]

Woah 

[Alec]

The anima is one of the most significant autonomous complexes of all. It manifests itself by appearing as figures in dreams as well as by influencing a man's interactions with women and his attitudes toward them. Jung said that confronting one's shadow self is an "apprentice-piece", while confronting one's anima is the masterpiece.

Jung viewed the anima process as being one of the sources of creative ability.

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[IceD]

The anima is one of the most significant autonomous complexes of all. It manifests itself by appearing as figures in dreams as well as by influencing a man's interactions with women and his attitudes toward them. Jung said that confronting one's shadow self is an "apprentice-piece", while confronting one's anima is the masterpiece.

Jung viewed the anima process as being one of the sources of creative ability.

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Damn interesting. But it seems we all have those, and the more artistic you are, the more you're have to confront with anima... Anima has also many convergences with persona.

Alec, are you trying to illustrate something? 

I even didn't noticed that Naija's name comes from indian culture, but it's sweet anyways 

[Cruxx]

 Naija is sanskrit, damn. didnt notice it before.

[Alphasoldier]

Well damn, there's way more behind it then I thought. I knew how the creator's mind was thinking and stuff, but this just blew my mind. Alec, once again great job, this once again proves how awesome this game is and how much I like it.