Yeah, I'd rather play Quake Live, or these days maybe even a little UT3. Good group of folks on QL, most of whom don't act like twelve year olds. I thought TF2 was a spammy nightmare of a game, and god, the community... it's like Counterstrike all over again. I don't know much about DICE and the Battlefield games, though. Mostly heard a lot about bugs and stuff, so just avoided them outright. This one looks like it could be fun, so hopefully it turns out well and they do a proper job squashing bugs during beta.