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Bit Blot => Games => Topic started by: Glamador on January 08, 2008, 08:34:30 pm
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I die at an inordinate rate. I'm no stranger to "difficult" games. I did play Aquaria after all. But for some reason I can't stay alive for even 5 minutes. Perhaps I don't know all the controls or something but I feel like I'm missing something. Is there a block button of sorts? Do I have more attacks than my ridiculously short range swipe and the "takes too long to charge while enemies are charging me" firebolt? I can't seem to dodge even the most basic of enemies. Is there something I'm missing here because right now I'm not seeing what makes this game so great.
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That's just the kind of game it is. As you go on, you get a secondary weapon with more range, and the primary weapon gets a little longer, but it's still brutal. Though it actually has a learning curve, which is what's great. Once you get the swing of things, you can rip through what used to be death with hardly a second thought. So it's not impossible by any stretch. (though it feels that way more than once as you play through it: getting out of the mines if you go in there early on, the boss in the icy cave, the ever classic hume, and the guy with no vowels but two dogs to make up for it, not to mention the last boss which I never could make myself sit down and work on long enough to beat)
Oh man. I might have to go download and play that again.
edit: two tips: you can charge up early, and there is a backwards dash that sort of helps with dodging sometimes. (up+jump if I recall, though it has other benefits you might be able to figure out) And I'd suggest staying away from gamepads unless they're really quality, since the game is so unforgiving.
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Damn...I expected as much. Well, it's my opinion that one should NEVER have to force oneself to play a game. So if the game doesn't get more fun soon, well, I'm just not going to play it anymore. Plus I have an intensely difficult time judging what will hit me and what will not. As far as Derek's games go...it looks like I'm sticking with Aquaria.
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Well, it IS hard. And in the beginning you really haven't much.. but you find a lot of stuff, get more life energy, find scrolls to better your primary weapon until it reaches (charged) over the whole screen, learn doublejump and get a lot of secondary weapons and an armor. For now (dunno how far you are, though):
Mushrooms and other ground enemies like the frogs: hit, run back or jump over them and hit again. Important: Don't stay where you are.
Parrots: Driving you nuts the first times but are really easy when you know their timing. Jump towards them and don't wait until they come to you.
On the other side... if you have problems with the normal enemies, you will get very frustrated by the bosses, especially Hume. He is a sucker, but the fascinating thing is, that after I beat the game and played it again, I killed him without loosing energy at all, so this game really is about how good you are with the controls and with seeing the tactics of the bosses.
Edit: btw, I made savegames before and after most of the bosses (~30 savegames in total), if somebody want to play it again and want to start in the middle or so...
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Oh man, I just found my old ED folder, and I'd totally forgotten I'd started work on a full walkthru (with all dialog) and ascii map and creature gallery for the game. Maybe I'll have to finish it one day.
edit: another tip: try to hit with the outer edge of your attackamawave. It's more reliable, and safer due to distance naturally.
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There is already one, which is pretty good.
Oops... it was was at podiumgames, but the site is down... :-/
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Also I'm having an odd problem with it....if I play it for more than about 4 and a half minutes it will start moving EXTREMELY slowly. I have to exit and restart to make it work.
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I've seen that both happen and not happen on one machine I play on. But I haven't figured out why, yet. It might be sound related, as I was getting echoed/repeating sounds when I got the slowdown.
Meanwhile I'll dream of a ED remix
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I suspect it's due to MMF and its horrible optimisation.
ED is extremely unforgiving, but I can guarantee you that every death you suffer is your own fault; you weren't paying close enough attention to the enemy's movement or attack patterns, you charged in there without really watching what you were doing, you took unnecessary hits without realising the damage they do early on. Just slow down a bit; watch what enemies are doing, keep paying attention in case you have to jump or dodge back, don't go in there expecting to knock over everything in one or two hits until you've found some upgrade scrolls. And make sure you explore; find as many pickups as you can.
And know when you're beaten! Once you're out in the world, learn to recognise when an area is just too tough for you in your current state. It's a non-linear game and it's possible to wander into situations that are way over your head. Use all three save slots; one "current" save, two further back. That way, if you get stuck in an exceptionally tricky area, revert to an older save and go pickup-hunting.
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...but I can guarantee you that every death you suffer is your own fault.
Haha, I like this sentence and it is so true... :D
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The PG walkthrough can be found at the wayback machine. Spoiler: The programmer dude with a blue monkey and a triforce over his monitor has it linked at his site.
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I have a weird (technical) problem with Eternal Daughter. After the cutscene with the old man (after the first boss, robin broog the frog) the games starts to...well....lag. Horribly. Once I pick up the first upgrade health scroll then once before I go to the next screen, and then it starts to lag very badly at the waterside.
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Yea I was talking about that same problem if you read above. Something to do with the program the game was coded with. I can't say why though since a friend of mine was very accomplished with that program and made several amazing little games and not one of them had a similar problem.
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Yeah, but ED isn't an amazing little game; dang thing's massive for a Click title. There's a lot of complex stuff going on at any one time, and, as I mentioned earlier, MMF's code optimisation is bloody awful.
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Is there a way to repair it?
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Holy crap, this game is hard. It's like when I played Megaman X for the first time, but I'm just not getting better at it at hardly at all. Maybe I could get some pointers, see if I've missed some vital move that lets me toast Hume instead of him continually mopping the floor with me?
I've got 3 strength, 50 ammo of the level 1 dagger things, the double jump from the mines, and a full top row of health. I can get to the Sigil ammo (which looks spiffy!) underwater just outside Hume's area, but only just; it's not long enough to get back out to air with it before I die. Have I missed a water-breathing upgrade or something? I remember there being a health upgrade back in the very first area, but it was blocked off by some metal equipment I couldn't break through (not the blue bricks more common). And now, I can't jump enough to get back there from the woods. Is it permanently out of reach?
I get that the general idea with Hume is to stay roughly in the middle as he jumps back and forth over you, avoid the drill, and pop the purple things with the dagger. My main issue is that the angle of attack of the bubbles is too high to start with to pop them easily. It's very tricky to jump, then press up and allow enough time after you've pressed it to press Ctrl for the dagger shot to take; most of the time I get my usual ineffectual swipe. And of course, you can't hold a charge shot while you jump, heaven forbid. By the time the bubbles have followed me for long enough that they're down where I can dagger them without jumping, there's too many, and Hume has me cornered to the point where I can't get out because the injury immunity period is so damnably short.
Am I doing things completely wrong? Have I missed critical upgrades? Am I even following the guy that the Elder sent off in the right direction? Or is it just really, exceedingly difficult?
(Yes I know this is an old thread. It gives some background.)
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Yes, it IS difficult. I was so annoyed by hume and so happy when I beat him. After nearly finishing the game (I look at you, last form of Baphomet), I played it again and killed hume without any effort or losing health. You DO get better by playing. :)
There is some water-breathing upgrade but you're not supposed to have it already. Focus on killing hume now, and story will unfold and tell you what to do and where to go next.
I made savegames before and after every boss in the game, so if you really can't beat him, tell me...
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The one time I watched Derek play this game, I noticed he was dodging all the enemies. Maybe one of the keys is avoiding stuff as much as possible?
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I had left all my saves at a different computer, so I downloaded it here to see how far I could get. Interestingly enough, you're right; early sections of the game were ridiculously easy compared to when I first stared playing. I got back to where I was before in something like a fifth of the time. And, thanks to the fact that you can reach one of the Lorian forest heart containers by injury-bouncing off a leaf-dude once you have the double-jump, and the fact that you don't need water-breathing to get to the high launcher, the wall-jump boots, and the second Lorian forest heart container, I was at full top row +1.
Finally beat Hume! Woo! Also, the Hammer is bitchin', since I can finally attack upwards without jumping.
How do I get by that green blobby fellow blocking the way in the slime area? I already beat their moldy old king (bats are your frieeeeends, yesss). What's he saying? (What's that, Lassie? Timmy's down the well again? ???)
Aaaaaand now I'm at the first of the Three Riders, with all the bugs, just after going through that tedious gauntlet with a save only at the beginning. :'( Fortunately, I didn't waste too much time before figuring out I could slide under the statues' tridents, instead of jumping over them while everyone and their uncle is trying to alternately stab, gore, or otherwise maim you.
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Damn, I miss this game. So epic. Hard as hell, but so much fun.
Spelunky kicks my ass, too. Does Derek just like to make us cry?
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Damn, I miss this game. So epic. Hard as hell, but so much fun.
Spelunky kicks my ass, too. Does Derek just like to make us cry?
He does. Atm i'm crying because I can't get Spelunky to run. :'(
Nice progress, Zeke! :)
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Xaig, which version are you using? I downloaded this version:
http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=4017.0
and it worked no problem. I don't know whether it's a DOS game or not, but if it is, DOSBox might be useful to you:
http://www.dosbox.com/download.php?main=1
The second gauntlet leading up to the second rider is vastly more annoying, since you can't avoid the bugs or prepare for the bunnicorns as easily as before. Grr!
Added: Man, this game has like, plateaus of difficulty. Up to Hume was incredibly hard, then it evened out for a while after that. Then the first of the three riders was tricky, but the last two weren't too bad. Now I've beat the giant crab to get underwater, got the helmet, the sigil, the familiar, and a few odd health/power upgrades. Aaaand the slimy area leading up to the plant-like god, with all the fire-breathing statues, is murderous. There's no save points anywhere near! At least the dungaga god wasn't too bad; but the area you access with the scale, with the flame-throwing flying merpersons, is toasting me.
Also, level 7 power = electric whip? Badass!
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Hey guys, few questions. There's a couple places where it looks like I should be able to do a crouch and slide, if only I was a little smaller: one in the room where I get the idol of the dungaga god, below the bestiary, and one underwater, where I got the Sigil weapon upgrade, right near Hume. Do these do anything? The door to where Hume used to be is still closed; does it ever open? And, is level 9 the highest power you can get to? It seems to be so.
Hints? I have the walkthrough, but I am loathe to use it; I have yet to need it.
(Yes I know, double post, but I already updated the last one, and this one actually has questions in it.)
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Huh, I don't exactly remember how to go around this guy, but there is a glitch you can use: Throw a trident at his head (or slightly above?), jump on it and slide over his head. :)
btw, do you have a little flying pet yet? If not, you should search for it somewhere in the upper stories. Truly worth a lot!
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I havent heard much about Eternal Darkness, so I cant comment on that. But if youre unsure of what to get, better get RE to be on the safe side. Youll at least be promised a quality game.......
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Spamity Spam?
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I'm not sure if it's spam or a very confused person, but seeing it's only one post... eh.
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I'm not sure if it's spam or a very confused person, but seeing it's only one post... eh.
Both.
He has no idea what this topic is about, is confusing two very, very different games, and on top of that is recommending we buy RE "just to be on the safe side, because it's a quality game". Sounds like spamming to me.
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I will not tolerate spam in my thread!
(http://f00.inventorspot.com/images/1559606_340_1116081430036-spam.jpg)
DAMMIT! I'm amazed this thread has lasted so long. I still can't play this game worth a damn, but it's good to see it sparked some discussion long after I left.
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Oh hey, welcome back.
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Look out Glamador, there's spam in your post, it must've sneaked in!
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We must rally and assault the source of all this spam... Hormel Foods Factory!
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We must rally and assault the source of all this spam... Hormel Foods Factory!
*gasp* The spam has infiltrated my digestive system! Spamushibi (rice, seaweed, and cooked spam) is delicious, btw, and it rhymes with Chibi! ;)
Back on topic - Eternal Daughter is tough as nails, but I finally managed to get past the first boss last week. ^_^
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Back on topic - Eternal Daughter is tough as nails, but I finally managed to get past the first boss last week. ^_^
Congrats! ;D
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Congrats! ;D
Thanks! Having the same problem against an uber-plant in the jungle. >.<
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Thanks! Having the same problem against an uber-plant in the jungle. >.<
Great, that line just made me want to play this game. Oh well, more procrastination.
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Sounds like Zeke asked the same things I was going to ask, since I'm trying to get past Hume. Also, I wasn't sure at first whether that was where I was supposed to go, because the dialogue sounds like I should know more about Mia's father by now. Guess I'll just keep trying to beat him. I've gotten all the items I can right now.
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Hume's the most badass boss, but eventually you'll beat him. Practice does a lot here. I can beat him nowadays without loosing health. :)
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Ooh! I just beat him. I feel so good about it. This is the thing about tough parts in games; you get a sense of accomplishment when you finally beat them.
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Congrats!
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Thanks. I've been trying to beat Baphomet over the last while, and have concluded that derek is evil. His games murder me, and yet I keep coming back for more.
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Thanks. I've been trying to beat Baphomet over the last while, and have concluded that derek is evil. His games murder me, and yet I keep coming back for more.
qft
Hume may be the most badass boss, but Baphomet is an ENDboss and therefore ten times more badass than Hume. ;)
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Why this game don't work properly for me?
When I start it on my Windows XP, I can play for a while, but then it hangs. Also no music.
I have to play it on DosBox emulator??
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DOSBox is a tool used to play games published a decade or longer ago (e.g. Frogger). The latest version of Aquaria was designed to run on XP and Vista. Open up Aquaria, then alt+tab back to the desktop and right-click the taskbar on the bottom. Open up Task Manager and make sure you're using less than 50% CPU/RAM. Your computer might not be able to run the game - Aquaria uses a lot of anti-aliasing.
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Good job Chibi, but he wanted to know how to run Eternal Daughter NOT Aquaria. :D
Sorry, can't help you there. You definitely don't need DosBox but I have no clue why it's not working properly...
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Ok, thanks anyway. =/
Maybe someday when I have courage to install Windows 7 and emulate Windows XP on it I can play it. =)
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I will admit I became a MW2 addict for like a month, but now I dont play that much