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Title: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Kyuur on December 16, 2007, 08:28:17 pm
Topic.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Alphasoldier on December 16, 2007, 08:29:53 pm
No.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Kyuur on December 16, 2007, 08:34:31 pm
Hm... that seems pretty useless then, seeing how I'm almost never in my regular form. =[
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Joakim on December 16, 2007, 09:12:11 pm
Some armors are not so useful, whereas some are very useful. You will find out in time...
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: t3mp3st on December 16, 2007, 11:07:50 pm
Heh, until this thread I thought that the armors were simply visual, had no idea they had any effects.  ...Although I admit to wishing they did... guess wishes do come true :)
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Zeno on December 16, 2007, 11:10:58 pm
Some have effects, others are just ornamental.  The ones you find early on tend to be ornamental, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Don Andy on December 16, 2007, 11:19:21 pm
Hm... that seems pretty useless then, seeing how I'm almost never in my regular form. =[

Oh, believe me, you will learn to love a certain costume with the last boss :p
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Quemaqua on December 16, 2007, 11:19:33 pm
Yeah, there are several that are quite handy, though most are pretty much ornamental (but you're hardcore enough to wear an ornamental suit, right?).
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Alphasoldier on December 16, 2007, 11:23:51 pm
I am, I wear the most sexy suit all the time. I even refuse to change shapes sometimes just cause I'm that hardcore!
*cough*
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: tiamax on December 17, 2007, 01:09:53 am
But the armour is so pretty! So says Alpha, even :p
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Xiagan on December 17, 2007, 10:00:55 am
Hm... that seems pretty useless then, seeing how I'm almost never in my regular form. =[

Oh, believe me, you will learn to love a certain costume with the last boss :p
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Lambchops on December 17, 2007, 04:59:57 pm
Hm... that seems pretty useless then, seeing how I'm almost never in my regular form. =[

Oh, believe me, you will learn to love a certain costume with the last boss :p
Absolutely.

I think you guys are really overrating the usefulness of the skimpy costume. Didn't distract the blighter at all!  ;)
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Haephasto on February 02, 2009, 11:05:07 pm
Hm... that seems pretty useless then, seeing how I'm almost never in my regular form. =[

Oh, believe me, you will learn to love a certain costume with the last boss :p
Absolutely.

I think you guys are really overrating the usefulness of the skimpy costume. Didn't distract the blighter at all!  ;)

Yes, it did. So much, in fact, that he wanted to keep Naija forever...
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Chibi on February 02, 2009, 11:58:05 pm
Hm... that seems pretty useless then, seeing how I'm almost never in my regular form. =[

Oh, believe me, you will learn to love a certain costume with the last boss :p
Absolutely.

I think you guys are really overrating the usefulness of the skimpy costume. Didn't distract the blighter at all!  ;)

Yes, it did. So much, in fact, that he wanted to keep Naija forever...

ROFL - I'm loving the quips.  :D Alec mentioned something about the Krotite Armor changing Li's Dual Form shot, but I never noticed a difference.

Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Alphasoldier on February 03, 2009, 01:20:17 am
I don't want to look like a nag... but PLEASE:
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4010/didnotjustbumpatleastyewu9.png)
Check the bloody date before posting.

And unless you have a good reason to resurrect a topic at least a year old, don't do it.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Chibi on February 03, 2009, 02:05:24 am
Never noticed, but if I had, I too would of gently chided the guy. Very nice formatting Alpha - how did you do it?
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Xiagan on February 03, 2009, 11:26:11 am
I now want to know if there really is an armor that changes Dualform-shot.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Align on February 03, 2009, 07:19:51 pm
Never noticed, but if I had, I too would of gently chided the guy. Very nice formatting Alpha - how did you do it?
...MSPaint?
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: silverflagon on February 04, 2009, 12:49:52 am
I enjoyed the laugh so it was worth it a bit lol But just gentle nudge them next time Chibi, there are ways to do it without any upset unless they are ultra sensitive :)
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Alphasoldier on February 04, 2009, 12:54:57 am
Align gets a cookie, with chocolate chips.

Oh, and I'm sort of confused by Silver's post
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: silverflagon on February 04, 2009, 01:02:11 am
Align gets a cookie, with chocolate chips.

Oh, and I'm sort of confused by Silver's post
I was laughing at the earlier posts, because I hadn't read this thread before as it was before I joined Alpha :D
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Chibi on February 04, 2009, 06:00:46 am
I enjoyed the laugh so it was worth it a bit lol But just gentle nudge them next time Chibi, there are ways to do it without any upset unless they are ultra sensitive :)

Never noticed, but if I had, I too would of gently chided the guy.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: silverflagon on February 04, 2009, 08:23:50 pm
I stand corrected Chibi, sorry for that ::)
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Chibi on February 05, 2009, 12:08:26 am
No problem...  O0 ;)

... he typed with an amused grin.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: silverflagon on February 05, 2009, 12:35:59 am
Oh and I found that the urchin armour has effected beast form, now when she eats fish she gets the same effect as the urchin armour give her in natural form?
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Chibi on February 05, 2009, 12:47:31 am
Really? That is awesome! I never noticed.  O0 That's great, because Naija is invulnerable when boosting through an enemy.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: silverflagon on February 05, 2009, 10:12:47 pm
Of course it could be a bug in my game? But it's like she is electrocuting  and eating them at the same time but only on the fish or so it seems so far?
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Haephasto on February 14, 2009, 11:33:48 pm
I was wondering if there is a description of the armours somewhere...Most don't have information that details what they do. Forum search gives nothing.

"The Flesh is Weak" isn't much of an explanation either, for instance.
Increases defence...great. By how much? Similar to the soups? More?
Ceremonial, yes, but what else?

Oh, and on the bumping: I didn't think anyone would mind, considering the size of the forum and the fact that no recent topic had similar content at the time. B'sides...puns are always worth it, so it was a damn good reason to bump.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Alphasoldier on February 15, 2009, 01:13:31 am
I do mind when it has no use.

Either way, to answer your question, which would've been a good reason to bump... I believe only 3 suits have effects, the crab, who raises your defence by a 1.25 multiplier, the jelly costume who over the second heals 0.5 health until it reaches half of your health, and finally the Urchin costume who deals out 0.4 damage per hit.
You have 5 health when you start the game and 10 when you have all egg upgrades (1 health per egg).

To help the math even more...
A normal Nautilus has 4hp, your normal energy shot deals 1 damage, and your charged energy shot 1.5 damage.

If you have more questions, I'd love to answer them, if I can.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Chibi on February 15, 2009, 01:29:22 am
I have one ... when wearing the Crab Armor, are the effects of defense soups magnified?
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Zoko on February 15, 2009, 03:31:59 am
I don't think so, since I mainly used that armor with the soup against one of the creator's forms, although it's hard to tell in the midst of a battle. I mostly wear the Krotite armor, and have never noticed any change with the dual form shots.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: delve on February 15, 2009, 04:17:51 am
I think the Krotite armor is purely cosmetic. I wish the suits were more useful. :(

Alpha, does the Arnassi suit actually do anything? The description says so, but I never noticed any difference and neither have you apparently. Looks like you've been digging through the scripts for these things?
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Zoko on February 15, 2009, 05:02:15 am
I think the Krotite armor is purely cosmetic. I wish the suits were more useful. :(

Alpha, does the Arnassi suit actually do anything? The description says so, but I never noticed any difference and neither have you apparently. Looks like you've been digging through the scripts for these things?

I mostly used the Krotite armor to that end, I just think it fits the late-game atmosphere pretty well. I would like to see it have some other effects, but I sincerely doubt the dual form-shot thing.Even if it is true it wouldn't be that useful, besides for dealing with the occasional baddie who refuses to get absorbed. It's kind of hard to aim with the touchpad, especially when you've got nautiluses to be running away from. Maybe someone will make a mod to make these things be more than just eye-candy.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Alphasoldier on February 15, 2009, 11:50:13 am
Oh, right, yeah the Arnassi costume does something too, I just NEVER use it.
It makes you go twice as fast on a seahorse. I've just tested it out over a long piece of track, and without it took 5 seconds and with it almost took 3 seconds, so I'd say it's a bit less than twice as fast. You can definitely notice this when on a seahorse with the costume, because you swim faster than in fish form.
Er, after going through a script there is a value of 3.5 when not wearing the costume and 5.5 when you ARE wearing the costume, I was pretty close.

On the crab + defence, I tried the same thing as last time. I used Chomper, the big orange piranha that looks where you are, then suddenly dashes towards you.
He normally damages you with exactly 3.2. (in script)
With only Crab armour he damages me less than 2.5. (I let him attack me twice, I was still alive)
This means that the multiplier is in fact not 1.25, but 1.3 or higher.
3.2/1.25=2.56, 2 hits of those and I'd be dead.
3.2/1.3=~2.46, 2 hits of these and I'm alive.
3.2/1.4=~2.29, 2 hits of this and I'd have half a health left, which I really didn't, as so, 1.3 it is, seeing I don't think Alec would take weird random comma numbers.
And with Crab armour and plump perogi +2 defence put me up with less than 1.25 damage. (after 4 hits I was still alive.)
With only the +2 Defence he got about a third of my health, after 3 hits I was still alive, so I'd say exactly 1.6 damage

We can conclude from this that the +2 defence halves the damage you gets. 2x defence multiplier.
And also that crab armour still keeps your defence. 1.3 multiplier.
I also think that the food first halves the damage, and then the multiplier of the crab armour, not both added together.

I haven't tried food with +1 defence, but I suppose that's a 1.5 defence multiplier.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Jekyll Grim Payne on August 31, 2009, 01:18:47 am
Special armors don't work in other forms but the normal one. Well, that's simple. I use Jelly armor, it heals you whenever your healths is considered 'critical' (yellow or red). It does so only in the normal form.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Alphasoldier on August 31, 2009, 06:56:01 am
We've... already concluded that and this thread is about a half year old.
Please read through a topic before answering, or at least the first two or three posts. ^^
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Jekyll Grim Payne on August 31, 2009, 01:05:51 pm
I know. I searched for this topic, then I found out about that myself. It was just a... simpler confirmation.
Title: Re: Do armor effects still apply when in other forms?
Post by: Tullehar on September 01, 2009, 06:34:54 am
As Horrid as it is, I love the Crab armor. Still have to defeat king jelly for the other.