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Aquaria => General => Topic started by: Alrik Fassbauer on December 13, 2007, 11:48:50 pm
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Hello,
everyone,
I just wanted to thank the makers for Aquaria for their efforts and their really unique game.
As I was playing the demo, I was blown away. I went speechless. I was so impressed like only one or twiche ever with a game (Zanzarah is one of these examples).
I'm watching this game for 1-2 years now, but never registeered on the forum until now.
I knew, however, instantly from the beginning that this was becoming something special. *Very* special.
You proved me right.
There are no words in my mind to describe what I think or feel about this game ... - only pictures, tunes and telepathy would go. Or verses. ;)
I'll keep watching this game, alas I'm not using credit cards, paypal or similar things for payment, so I'll have to wait for a different way to get the full game.
I don't use these payment methods as a principle - I've heard too many stories of what can go wrong that I decided that they are unsfe in my opinion.
So, ... a boxed version would be nice, plus the soundtracks. :) Or both sold separately. :) Because if I had the soundtrack on CD, I could listen to it looong after this game is gone, maybne, or no more playable (except in emulators) at a far, far distant point in the future.
But however, I see that you'll need to get through this first, before you can make such bold plans - that's the fate of Indie developers.
I only wish that other ways of purchasing would be possible as well - I'm not speaking of Steam or so, but rather secure methods, direct bank transfers or money orders, for example.
Finally, i can only say: Keep up the good work ! :) I have seldom felt as delightes as playing through this game in years, and that means a lot ! :)
But anyway, this game is unique. :) It will always be in my heart. :)
Alrik
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After reading half your post I was surprised to see that you didn't actually have the game. If you DO have a credit card I'd like to encourage you to buy the game online. There are many horror stories out there but they are really overblown. The majority of people who shop online never have any problems and I think it's a sort of fear mongering by the media that has caused people to believe that shopping online is truly unsafe. As long as you're smart and you don't randomly give out your credit card number you'll be fine. Something like this really shouldn't stop you from buying a game you've waited for, for years haha. A boxed version may be coming out, but I think it'll be in a couple months at the earliest. Even then you'll have to buy them over the internet because they won't be distributed to stores like non-independant games.
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I don't have a credit card, sorry. And I don't plan to buy one.
But I can be patient. :) I've waited so long for this game, I can wait for the full version, too. ;) :)
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Well if you set up a PayPal account you can just link it to your bank account and transfer only the amount of money you need to buy something. PayPal is pretty damn secure, if they weren't then they wouldn't be the biggest company for online money transactions lol.
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Well, size isn't a sign for secureness to me.
I have read several times rather weird and even disturbing stories/reports of what can go wrong within the bureaucratic process of transferring money with Paypal. Enough stories to keep me away from using it.
I think I'd rather prefer a money order, that sounds better to me - although I must admit that one cannot be careful enoughwhen it comes down to money.
There are too many phishers out there nowadays, and trojan-makers who'd like to get your credit card number for free. ;)
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I was just about to post about a money order; your post came up as I went to the 'reply' screen.
Anyway, it's 30 dollars. It's at least 16+ hours of gameplay.
It's worth the small risk. If you really are worried, just find someone with a mac to do it on :P
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With all due respect to the OP, you'll have a tricky time getting through life without ever using a credit card online. I completely understand the mindset of being cautious with money and identity issues, but it's a shame that something so simple is preventing you from playing the full game in all its glory until who-knows-when. Heck, you'd be better off just downloading the torrent and mailing Alec and Derek a physical envelope with $30 in it. Or getting a prepaid card and using that to purchase online without having any account tied to it.
There are plenty of ways to enjoy this amazing game right now without waiting months and months (if not longer) and hoping for a console port or physical release. Anyway, cheers.
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Hrm, doesn't Plimus accept money orders and checks?
check it (https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1724988)
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I have never had a single problem shopping online and Ive been doing it for years. As has been pointed out the fear mongering is overblown. A little caution is all that is required. The kind of people who get ripped off for their life savings are typically the ones who go "Oh that poor dispossessed king of Nigeria, what a tragic email. Id best send him all my account details immediatly". Then they appear on trashy American talk shows bemoaning the horrors of the internet to an audience of inbred trailer trash. You have an equal chance of getting mugged walking down the street and someone taking your wallet. This doesnt stop you walking down the street, you just know better than to short cut through a dark alley at 2am. Caution + common sense = Safe to shop online.
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No offense Alrik, but you almost seem paranoid. It's $30. It's not like some big bad internet criminal is going to steal your bank information, spend all your money, come to your house and murder your family. But if you really want to make your life so difficult then go ahead...I guess? lol ::)
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You could always pay through paypal. They fancy themselves as the safest way to pay for things over the internets. I guarantee it.
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Cause I'm George Zimmerman. ಠ_ಠ
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No offense Alrik, but you almost seem paranoid. It's $30. It's not like some big bad internet criminal is going to steal your bank information, spend all your money, come to your house and murder your family. But if you really want to make your life so difficult then go ahead...I guess? lol ::)
What are you gonna tell him in two weeks when he's recovering from a stab wound and all of his family is dead? Huh? What then!? :-P
PayPal is nice, it's true. But I can understand his caution if he's never purchased anything online. That first time it's hard to swallow that lump in your throat.
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Well, the point is that I don't shop online at all. ;)
Only ebay, and there I can have direct bank transfers.
I'd call myself not paranoid, but rather conservative regarding this point. ;)
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You'll use eBay.............but not PayPal.
You are aware that PayPal is a subsidiary of eBay??
You don't want to buy it, because you can get it for free. That's the only reason.
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Yes I am.
And no I don't want not to pay.
Ebay users offer me direct money transfers, with no-one in the middle.
To me, it's just more secure: I can be quite sure the money reaches them.
On the other hand, I can't say what Paypal might be doing. The latest report I read in the German magazine called " c't " is about a man who sent the money, but it never reached the seller, as it was stuck somewhere within Paypal, and so he was accused of not willing to pay.
Another story is that of Paypal cancelling a subscription, because they held the opinion that the one who had subscribed via them didn't have enough money or was not trustworthy to keep the subscription on.
Trust me, I've read enough stories to have my doubts.
Although ... others don't ... ;)
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Trust me, I've read enough stories to have my doubts.
You can read stories about everything.
Don't use iodized salt, don't drink water from PET-bottles, don't use your mobile phone, don't use WLAN, don't trust the news, save your money in a stocking and not in a bank, don't use airplanes, ... the list is endless.
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I decide which stories seem to be more "trustworthy"§ than others.
Stories "told" by a professional German computing magazine, which is rather technically oriented, are the ones I tend to rather trust.
Also "stories" by people I personally know.
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Credit card companies take care of losses from online fraud. You can get a paypal account (free) which is SECURE and basically acts as a buffer between your credit card and the retailer.
So you have
Credit card->Paypal
Paypal->Vendor
No one aside from you and paypal sees your credit card info. You can remove it at any time, and I can pretty much guarantee you no one at paypal will misuse your information. I have never heard of this EVER happening (and their infrastructure most likely makes it near-impossible to exploit from the inside). If there's ever a dispute, paypal will know how much money was sent, etc, so you will be able to get things resolved.
I work in information security. I'm a lot more paranoid than most, and I really don't feel comfortable hooking up my bank account to a paypal account. But I'm not too concerned with a credit card. There are lots of rules in place for electronic fraud, and it will be paypal or the bank who takes the loss the majority of the time. Not to mention, the only way you will ever get exploited is if you buy stuff from an untrusted site (which is pretty much your own fault) or if you give away your password (which again, is pretty much your fault).
I know you won't change your mind based on this, but nowadays it's pretty safe to go through paypal. I would say a lot safer than shopping in a store such as winners where your credit card info is SAVED and left in unsecure systems a la TJ maxx. Paypal at least knows how to secure data properly =P
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You have to see the relation. There are billions of transactions which worked properly, but if two or three aren't working it suddenly is a problem. I read the ct article and of course that sounded not that cool - so I understand if you don't want to use paypal. Fortunately you haven't to. There is a wire transfer option too! (Du kannst bei Plimus sogar Überweisung auswählen -> https://www.plimus.com/jsp/buynow.jsp?contractId=1724988)
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Another story is that of Paypal cancelling a subscription, because they held the opinion that the one who had subscribed via them didn't have enough money or was not trustworthy to keep the subscription on.
ok, i KNOW that's not true, i've had my paypal account for over three years now, and only used it twice, and barely have any money at all. but my account still exists. As long as you're not doing anything illegal, then you don't have to worry about that
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Alrik du kannst das Geld für Aquaria auch direkt (und selbst) an Plimus überweisen (musst du halt in die Bank für).
Das kostet nur leider ziemlich viel Gebühren (weil das eine internationale Überweisung ist).
Ohne die eigenen Bankgebühren hätte es mich so schon 48$ gekostet (statt 30$).
Gucks dir halt mal an auf der Bestellseite.
Ich hab dann einen Freund mit Kreditkarte gebeten, es doch bitte für mich zu bestellen, so kamen am Ende nurnoch 19% Mehrwertsteuer drauf.
(I was just explaining to Alrik that he can also use a payment-method involving little to no risk, basically the same method he propably uses for his Ebay-payments).
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I don't think I've ever met anyone who's so fear-stricken about online shopping. It's almost sad. ALMOST. :P
You really can't believe everything you read in the media...hell I just wrote an exam this morning on mass media and its increasing concentration of ownership. The stories you've been reading are SENSATIONALIZED. :o
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Let's not rag on Alrik because he wants to use his money differently than we do. It makes no difference to me whether he uses PayPal or sends a check to pay for the game. Why should his preferred method of payment be any concern of ours? So what if he seems a bit paranoid to most people? It's still his right to pay via a method of his choosing.
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lol, look, I paid for my version of Aquaria via teh paypal and nothing bad happened. I'm the King so you'd think I would be a prime target for internet bad-d00ds.
It is very safe. :3
Other than that, how do you want to pay for the game? And yes, you must pay for it with moneys.
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Well, whatever. I hope you find a method of payment that suits you Alrik, the full version is really worth it :)
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Indeed. Even if you have to walk to their apartments and hand them money, get it to them somehow. They really do deserve it.
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On the other hand, I can't say what Paypal might be doing. The latest report I read in the German magazine called " c't " is about a man who sent the money, but it never reached the seller, as it was stuck somewhere within Paypal, and so he was accused of not willing to pay.
Another story is that of Paypal cancelling a subscription, because they held the opinion that the one who had subscribed via them didn't have enough money or was not trustworthy to keep the subscription on.
I've read both these articles myself. In the first case, the money was delayed for a bit more than a week or so because of some buerocratic stuff (some kind of security check, apparently), not lost. But that kind of thing happens rarely, and I didn't hear anything about PayPal actually losing someone's money yet.
The second story was more problematic and probably bordering on the illegal for PayPal (they cancelled a subscription to "Fotocommunity" in the name of the user without his consent, and even without necessity since there wasn't a payment due at the time), but it seems that's (been?) a problem with their subscription API, and here you'd only use it for a one-time payment anyway.
You can read stories about everything.
Don't use iodized salt, don't drink water from PET-bottles, don't use your mobile phone, don't use WLAN, don't trust the news, save your money in a stocking and not in a bank, don't use airplanes, ... the list is endless.
c't is a very serious and trustworthy computer magazine. The articles in question were quite detailled and they also contacted PayPal both times to get a statement and try to find out how the problem came to happen. However, I think these cases rather suggest that PayPal can be a PITA if you're unlucky, not that they are completely untrustworthy.