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Aquaria => General => Topic started by: Crizzle on December 10, 2007, 07:49:23 am
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This game is a masterpiece. I noticed that in the FAQ it is mentioned that this may come to the Xbox 360. I think it'd be perfect for the Xbox Live Arcade even though it's much better than pretty much every arcade game out at the moment. I think it could be sold for an above average price because of it's quality, just like the Puzzle Quest game.
If you haven't been in contact with somebody who can get this game on XBLA then I urge you guys to do so ASAP. It'd be so great to see this up there and I'm sure it would quickly become one of the most popular arcade games.
Good luck! ;D
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I just want to say I second this suggestion.
I've bought the game on PC, of course, but I wouldn't
hesitate to buy it again on XBLA to support Bit Blot
and indie games generally.
Oh, and achievements
and rumble support could only make the game even
more awesome! ;D It would definitely by far be the
best game on XBLA.
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I will say I'm an achievement junkie so I'd love to see this on the 360. Thanks for bumping the topic up by the way...I was a bit discouraged when I got on this morning and saw 87 views and no replies haha.
I think the 360 controller would work well with the controls too. Left analog stick to swim around and right analog stick for "Verse" control.
EDIT: I just noticed that the 360 controllers are already supported. That's great...that much closer to actually getting the game on XBLA. I really hope this happens.
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Hah, I'd cry if it is released on XBLA. My 360 got banned xD
Nevertheless I support the idea. Aquaria + Achievements = Win.
However I'd also like to see this on PSN.
Not WiiWare, though, as I have hardly any space left, anyway xD
So, go XBLA and PSN :3
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Why does everyone keep saying things like this? Why XBLA and not as a full Xbox 360 game? Why PSN, or Wiiware? This isn't some mini-game - it's large, involved, with high production values. Sure, as a downloadable that's the easier thing to do, but that's for the developers to worry about, not us :)
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Oh believe me, I'd love to see this sold as a full game but realistically it just makes sense for it to be a downloadable XBLA game. It's 200mb which is around the size of most XBLA games and it could be sold for 1200 MS points...although that's only about $20, however to make it closer to it's current price of $30 either something could be taken out or downloadable content could be sold to make up for those $10. It's not ideal, but it's up to Alec and Derek and if they were willing to have thing price at $20 on XBLA the game would sell like hotcakes either way. :)
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Sadly, one has to understand that for everything out there that hits the net, some of it will leak through to the underbelly. Well, I paid for mine and don't regret it one bit:) Told a few friends about it and hopefully they will too.
And here's to hoping that at least some of the people who download the naughty version will like it so much they'll pay for it to out of principal.
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For sure. It's sad to see Aquaria already up on torrent sites. That's another reason why an XBLA version of this game would be great: XBLA games can't be pirated easily.
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It will take a good sucess on the PC to see an XBLA release. I've reads that it costs a developer $10,000 US just to get a game "Tested and approved" for XBLA release before it can even be sold. That's a lot of up front cost. I think they have to buy or rent the SDK they need to convert it to XBLA as a further cost over and above the initial outlay for approval making the up front cost even larger. That kind of capital to even get a startup on XBLA is going to require a lot of PC sales, and not just enough to pay the price of releasing it on XBLA, I mean why spend all your profit on an unkown market? They would need to make MORE than enough for the startup fees to make it financially viable. Lets see how they go on the initial release platform :)
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I think for the 360 this game wouldn't sell many copies unless on XBLA. XBLA seems to be the better fit on that end. However, for the Wii I think it makes perfect sense to go the full monty and have it as an actual, full game. The Wii doesn't shoot for the most amazing technology ever, it shoots for fun games that can make good use of its unique hardware. That fits Aquaria to a T.
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It will take a good sucess on the PC to see an XBLA release. I've reads that it costs a developer $10,000 US just to get a game "Tested and approved" for XBLA release before it can even be sold. That's a lot of up front cost. I think they have to buy or rent the SDK they need to convert it to XBLA as a further cost over and above the initial outlay for approval making the up front cost even larger. That kind of capital to even get a startup on XBLA is going to require a lot of PC sales, and not just enough to pay the price of releasing it on XBLA, I mean why spend all your profit on an unkown market? They would need to make MORE than enough for the startup fees to make it financially viable. Lets see how they go on the initial release platform :)
Hmm, well that is a bit of a hurdle...but hey, with the right exposure and media coverage they could do it.
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I would love to see this on PSN with the robust mod systems.
I'm loving it so much I would love to see it either XBLA or PSN. I wonder what are PSN's authorizations costs compared to Lives. I know the devs kits are around 30000.00. :(
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@ Crizzle: I wasn't saying it would be a bad thing for it to come to XBLA BTW, just explaining why it probably hasn't happened yet ;)
Edit: Clarified
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Given the amount of people who own a 360 vs a PS3 and the costs involved in both it would be far more cost effective to go with microsoft if it where to happen at all, not to mention the PS3 is awkward to develop for, if you are new to it it could be a very long road ahead.
Also hasn't anyone considered the price point and how it would be delivered on a console? if you think about it microsoft arcade titles are on average 800 points, few pushing it to 1200 (like luminies was and the xbox original titles), 1600 microsoft points costs about $20, the game is retailing on pc for $30, so either the game would have to come down in price or it would have a high microsoft point price tag to match the pc version cost which would reduce its likely hood of people buying it.
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I think for the 360 this game wouldn't sell many copies unless on XBLA. XBLA seems to be the better fit on that end. However, for the Wii I think it makes perfect sense to go the full monty and have it as an actual, full game. The Wii doesn't shoot for the most amazing technology ever, it shoots for fun games that can make good use of its unique hardware. That fits Aquaria to a T.
Totally agree. This is one of those game that could get extreme popular if it were released on XBLA (almost seems perfect for it), mostly because it's so unique looking and soothing to play (might turn out to be a wanna-have thing for people). Maybe it's better to wait a while, see how people respond (maybe tweak things a little even - not that it really needs it).
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Personally, I think the whole XBLA and PSN thing should be stalled for at least another year. Till then, we can be pretty much sure that Aquaria has all its bugs worked out (imagine the time paradox bug in the XBLA version) and all "necessary" features in.
Also, by that time, PS3 will have gained MUCH in terms of popularity and PSN would be just as good a choice as XBLA.
It also should be on the system that most easily supports Mods.
WiiWare is probably the worst choice, due to the limited space and Nintendo's refusal of releasing something like a HD. I mean, sure, you can swap all your stuff via SD-card, but do you really wanna fiddle with File Management each time you wanna play Aquaria? :P
Also, I doubt that the Wii would allow Mods at all. I mean Nintendo is so overly protective over everything that you probably won't ever be able to put some mod-data on your Wii.
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I think it will be quite some time before there is even consideration of trying to get onto XBLA or PSN, but I think that wait would mainly be associated with the costs and bureaucracy that goes along with something like XBLA. As for mod support, I'm fairly sure it would be only Official mods that would be going up as downloadable content. I don't think average users will be able to upload content to something like Xbox Live anytime soon unfortunately.
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I think it will be quite some time before there is even consideration of trying to get onto XBLA or PSN, but I think that wait would mainly be associated with the costs and bureaucracy that goes along with something like XBLA. As for mod support, I'm fairly sure it would be only Official mods that would be going up as downloadable content. I don't think average users will be able to upload content to something like Xbox Live anytime soon unfortunately.
That's why I'd actually prefer it most on PSN. There, you can just copypasta your mods on an USB stick, plug it into your PS3 and read the mods off it.
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I don't have an Internet connection for my 360, but I would gladly buy Aquaria a second time if it was available on disc. It would look great on a full-size TV.
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I don't have an Internet connection for my 360, but I would gladly buy Aquaria a second time if it was available on disc. It would look great on a full-size TV.
Especially on a 40+ inch LCD HDTV. ;)
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I wonder, are there any news to this topic?
I own a Mac, and I really could by Aquaria for the Mac.... But I would LOVE to see Aquaria on my 47" inc LCD-Screen and furthermore play it with a GamePad instead of Keyboard/Mouse.
Please, please bringt this wonderful Game to Xbox Live... it is perfect for this!
Regards
Oliver
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The current systems that Aquaria is on is the PC, Mac and Linux(tho still in a beta form)
This post is over 2 years old, I think it's VERY unlikely to happen.
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Yellow text, oh god my eyes. :o
IMO, Aquaria would rock on a console. But there are lot more things that Alec n' Derek are doing that will also rock. So, maybe in due time, but due time won't be soon.
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It should be possible to display it on your TV without porting the game, but it'd require some cables and maybe a card? I'm no expert, just know that it's possible.
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I actually just got a Mini-DVI to S-Video adapter for my old Macbook, so I could play some older games on my junky TV. :)
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I wonder, are there any news to this topic?
I own a Mac, and I really could by Aquaria for the Mac.... But I would LOVE to see Aquaria on my 47" inc LCD-Screen and furthermore play it with a GamePad instead of Keyboard/Mouse.
Please, please bringt this wonderful Game to Xbox Live... it is perfect for this!
Regards
Oliver
It should be possible to display it on your TV without porting the game, but it'd require some cables and maybe a card? I'm no expert, just know that it's possible.
Any standard video card bought within the last... erm... let's say two years will be more than capable of outputting to your LCD TV by means of a standard HDMI cable. Furthermore, I think you should be able to map it to a gamepad anyway? (I dunno.. I've not really touched the options). "Worst" case scenario, pick up joy2key (http://www.electracode.com/4/joy2key/JoyToKey%20English%20Version.htm) and use that.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that everything you want implemented is (I'm certain) already possible without anything remotely complicated.
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Thank you for your responses.
yes you are right... I have connected my iMac with my LCD already and this is okay so far... Problem is controlling by mouse and keyboard is not conveniant in this case..... I also own a Logitech Rumblepad on my Mac, but unfortunately this doesn't work with Auquaria , though it is recognized in Mac OS X.... Anyone with same problem maybe?
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Oh, you're using a mac. Can't help you there.
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Hrm, XBox360 controller should work on Mac w/ Aquaria with the homemade XBox driver...
(I thiiink?)
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Usingg my Xbox Controller on the Mac... Hm. sounds good, haven't thought about that yet!
My Xbox Controller is a wireless one. I'll need an adapter like this I guess?
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Wireless-Gaming-Receiver-Windows-Pc/dp/B000HZFCT2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1264834214&sr=8-7 (http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Wireless-Gaming-Receiver-Windows-Pc/dp/B000HZFCT2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1264834214&sr=8-7)
Well Maybe I'll find a hint in the web if this will work on OS X. If this is the case, this would be my solution!
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it's cheaper if you buy a new gamepad incl receiver
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Controller-Windows-pc/dp/B000KA5T6A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1264883222&sr=1-1
@alec:
i hope there will be a direct3d version of aquaria as i'm not able to play it on win 7 at the moment :'( (thx to ati and intel)...
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Aquaria would sell like mad on XBLA.
Imagine the 5.1 sound for those who have it! Stunning fullHd visuals anyone?!
I like to invest my own money in getting this game released on the XBLA if it were possible.
This needs to be discussed seriously to get it done.
I'd like for the guys involved with porting Aquaria, to explian what is stopping it from arriving on XBLA.
With a list, then those problems can be solved one by one.
I'm sure if it is expensive, then many fans will want to invest to help with the project.
My reason for wanting the XBLA version, is for the fullHD and 5.1 sound. I also never finished the game (1/3 the way through).
The profits from an XBLA release would be very good and if DLC was made I'm sure it would also help.
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Problems:
- Money: We can't fund it, we're each funding our own other projects
- Team: We're super busy and don't have the time, we're also not super keen to work on an old game again when we're doing new stuff. So we'd have to find someone else to do the work, and pay them somehow.
- Publisher?: This might be a solution to both the above problems, and I get the occasional email from a publisher talking about porting the game to XBLA... but most of them seem pretty shady.
- Quality?: There'd be no point in doing it if the development team involved didn't care, or sucked and the port ended up being terrible.
So yeah, if you can solve all those problems we'd love to do it. :)
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it's cheaper if you buy a new gamepad incl receiver
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-Wireless-Controller-Windows-pc/dp/B000KA5T6A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1264883222&sr=1-1
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Are Your sure this Pad works with Aquaria? I ask because my Logitech Rumblepad 2 USB is recognized in the OS, but not in the Game Aquaria..... (I have Mac OS, but this should make no difference)
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Problems:
- Money: We can't fund it, we're each funding our own other projects
- Team: We're super busy and don't have the time, we're also not super keen to work on an old game again when we're doing new stuff. So we'd have to find someone else to do the work, and pay them somehow.
- Publisher?: This might be a solution to both the above problems, and I get the occasional email from a publisher talking about porting the game to XBLA... but most of them seem pretty shady.
- Quality?: There'd be no point in doing it if the development team involved didn't care, or sucked and the port ended up being terrible.
So yeah, if you can solve all those problems we'd love to do it. :)
Any idea how much the development will cost?
Sounds like a publisher would be best.
Perhaps I will see what I can find out about these "shady" publishers for you? What about seeking a publisher of your own? I could definatly help you there.
For the quality, your right about doing it it properly. I'm glad you care. If a trustworthy publisher could be found with a good reputation, then this shouldn't be a problem.
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We were contact with hothead for a while about doing it on PSN. Then they stopped responding to my emails, so I guess they lost interest?
I would have trusted them to do a fairly decent job. (they're kinda indie-ish)
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I'm sure the game would sell really well if someone would get it onto PSN/XBL, to bad publishers don't seem to be interested, I would love to see this game on console and a lot of money could be made :P
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If you have a look on all the other games on Xbox Live, I agree with you
Most Games are not very well designed and dont have such a high grade of quality like Aquaria does.
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As with all business decisions, these are based more on "quality of brand" than "quality of game".
If something is really well recognized, it'll be easy for it to get on XBLA. (easier to prove that it will shift units)
With something new/indie, it's definitely harder to convince publishers to bite. (without getting completely f-ed over)
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Sorry I haven't posted for a few days.
I went of a holiday for 2-3 days.
I will get into looking at publisher and such tommorrow
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Yeah, I think people understimate the amount of work that it takes to even make the game work on XBL. I was just reading about this P.B. Winterbottom game coming out soon and how the game was done using Flash and the creators had to do a ridiculous amount of work to convert it to work as an XBL game. Not to mention that they were lucky enough to get 2K Games to publish the game, not exert creative control and mess with their product and to give them funding. Sadly, most products and developers don't get this lucky.