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Aquaria => Gameplay => Topic started by: Arichamus on May 14, 2010, 07:03:53 am

Title: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Arichamus on May 14, 2010, 07:03:53 am
You know that cave in Naija's home with the rapid water coming out of the passage on the upper right? well, I used the pearl I found to unlock THAT room instead of the passage on the far right of the Home Waters. Is this expected, or an enormous goof I have to restart to fix?
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Alphasoldier on May 14, 2010, 01:28:10 pm
There's a pearl in your home and in the home waters, I can't really remember if you can keep pearls on map switches (I think not) so I don't think you can lock yourself in.
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Arichamus on May 14, 2010, 04:08:46 pm
That's good news! could I have a hint where the Home Waters one is, please?
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Post by: Alphasoldier on May 14, 2010, 04:51:07 pm
Just keep following the walls.

Or: Just go under the entrance of where the pearl is needed.
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Arichamus on May 15, 2010, 09:00:13 pm
Thanks a lot, I just got into the Open waters at long last. To think it was in that small pocket cave where I had never thought to go.

Loving the game, how'd the idea come to be?
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Lady-Succubus on May 19, 2010, 11:00:23 pm
I can't really remember if you can keep pearls on map switches (I think not) so I don't think you can lock yourself in.

I hate how that's true for every pearl except one. It confused me a bit yesterday. >_<
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Knight on May 20, 2010, 05:28:08 am
I hate how that's true for every pearl except one. It confused me a bit yesterday. >_<
There's a pearl you can carry across a map switch? o.O I don't remember one...
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Post by: Lady-Succubus on May 20, 2010, 06:17:08 am
There is. Would saying that it involved playing a song in an unusual way jog your memory? ^.^
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Post by: Knight on May 20, 2010, 03:27:21 pm
Nope. But I did most of Aquaria in a marathon run, so bits get jumbled in my already-poor memory.
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Post by: Alphasoldier on May 20, 2010, 05:22:58 pm
Whale.
BUT, the whale isn't a new map I believe, it's a warp node, not entirely sure about this though, and if it's not, curse you Alec! Only making one pearl be able to cross maps.
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Knight on May 20, 2010, 08:46:41 pm
Ah, yeah, I'm pretty sure the whale isn't actually a new area. You're still on the same map. It's just like the houses in the ruins (or in the whale itself, for that matter).
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Post by: Lady-Succubus on May 20, 2010, 09:40:18 pm
Inside the maps folder, there's a whale.xml and an abyss01.xml. This suggests the existence of two maps.

If you leave the whale map with the orb, drop the orb in the abyss (or simply don't pick it up), watch it settle on the bottom, enter the whale again, and leave the whale again, the orb will again appear at the mouth of the whale, meaning that something had reset the position of the orb. If you were still on the same map, this probably wouldn't happen...

So therefore I believe that you are carrying the orb across the map change. Of course, it's not the same orb--the game just makes it look like that because the orb only appears at the mouth of the whale when some flag is set or something, I guess. ^///^

But of course, judging by your reputations, your next posts will probably prove me wrong. ._. Worth a try anyway, I guess.
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Post by: Knight on May 20, 2010, 10:33:12 pm
No, no, that's actually a far more thorough analysis of the situation than I'd done. I guess it's unique.
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Post by: Lady-Succubus on May 20, 2010, 10:45:18 pm
No, no, that's actually a far more thorough analysis of the situation than I'd done. I guess it's unique.
Yay! Now alpha is going to prove us both wrong, watch. =^.^=
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Post by: Alphasoldier on May 21, 2010, 12:21:25 am
Nope, I completely agree, sounds very logical too. They're all flags, first flag is if you already unlocked the octopus puzzle, so the door stays open. Next is if you get out of the whale with the pearl with you, which makes the pearl be lodged on the whale's mouth if you ever lose it. Quite brilliant too.
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Post by: Zoko on May 21, 2010, 12:31:41 am
But also note that entering/exiting a building also resets things.
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Post by: Alphasoldier on May 21, 2010, 12:52:15 am
Which is why there are flags that don't reset, they get saved.
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Zoko on May 21, 2010, 01:03:44 am
What I'm saying is: if buildings are warp nodes but things still get reset, why can't the whale be a warp node also? (or the opposite: if a entering/exiting a building resets things, then it isn't a node, so most likely neither is the whale.)
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Post by: Lady-Succubus on May 21, 2010, 02:21:53 am
What I'm saying is: if buildings are warp nodes but things still get reset, why can't the whale be a warp node also? (or the opposite: if a entering/exiting a building resets things, then it isn't a node, so most likely neither is the whale.)
Indeed, the whale can be a building warp, but it isn't. :3
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Post by: Zoko on May 21, 2010, 05:23:32 am
How did that get there? I swear I posted that in the counting topic...
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Alphasoldier on May 21, 2010, 01:51:59 pm
See, it's going too fast for you too!
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Lady-Succubus on May 22, 2010, 10:57:21 pm
What I'm saying is: if buildings are warp nodes but things still get reset, why can't the whale be a warp node also? (or the opposite: if a entering/exiting a building resets things, then it isn't a node, so most likely neither is the whale.)


Do things really still get reset? I don't recall having to re-kill all the frogs in Mithala after I got tired of them shooting bouncy blue balls at me that made weird gonking sounds.
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Alphasoldier on May 23, 2010, 01:11:55 pm
You do actually.
Title: Re: I think I just locked myself out.
Post by: Lady-Succubus on May 23, 2010, 06:53:15 pm
Wow. Another thing to go check. >_>

I might as well replay the entire game. xD