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Aquaria => General => Topic started by: Marduk on May 02, 2009, 11:16:37 pm
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Hi everybody, one of my friend have notify me somethings strange.
he played aquaria and he found very interesting open the game cahe to found secrets, maps and other things like that.
By the way he discovered a new form of the final boss than it's seem dosent appear in the game. it's a some species of giant snake. well i've finish the game too, and indeed that forms dosent appear.
its a secret we dont have discovered yet? o a maybe a remains of the first version of the game, aborted in the final relase?
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There are lots of things in the data files that didn't make it into the final game.
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I would have loved to see the form in the full game - who knows what else lies hidden in the shadows of the developers' imaginations? ;)
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;D
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what did you friend do different?
he has all forms, recipes, treasures?
(I'm from Brazil. Sorry for the english :D)
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what did you friend do different?
he has all forms, recipes, treasures?
(I'm from Brazil. Sorry for the english :D )
You are misreading it. The friend in question searched through the game data files, without actually playing the game.
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ow... but I cannot find my data files... can you post the serpent's image? :)
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This is the boss (pieced together with Gimp):
(http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp101/msutters/bodyseg2.gif?t=1244122464)
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amazing 0_0
I really want to fight with this boss... he exist, Alec? :D
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Greetings! As some may know, I had the distinct honor of being "the third guy" through a period of Aquaria's development. And inside this period was another period where we were all physically working together in LA. Ah, the memories... Classic times!
This gives me a chance again to thank Alec and Derek for playing such a big role in getting me back into game development. (THANKS, GUYS! I'll love you forever.) :-*
Anyway, this "wurm" is indeed a lost form of the final boss! It was going to be the third form, if I remember correctly. I was working on it personally. But getting the movement right was tricky for a number of reasons (not least of which being my own incompetence), so it wasn't quite done by the time we all returned to our respective homes. Some time after that I had a pretty nice mental collapse (don't worry, I'm fine now) and, long story short, the Wurm Form got cut from the final game.
But hey, look what I found on an old memory key -- maybe the only Aquaria development screen I took:
(http://b-mcc.com/aq/AQwurm.png)
Ignore all the crazy dev stuff. :P
As you can see, the wurm would swim around the area, curving and twisting about, doing little loops and stuff, all the while its nasty faces shooting at poor Naija. There was going to be other stuff too, but now my memory's getting fuzzy. (I think you had to hurt each face separately?) Oh, and you could ride on its back, which was pretty cool. I think (Alec may correct me on this) Naija being able to grab onto objects was originally added for this boss. If there's ever a Directors Cut of Aquaria, I'd love to give him another go. It'd probably take me like a day now, oy. :'(
While I'm here, if anyone's interested (ha!), here's my work setup at AQ HQ (it's pretty hardcore):
(http://b-mcc.com/aq/mySetup.JPG)
It was a man sandwich, Derek on my left, Alec on my right.
Also we played M. Dickie's classic Hard Time a bit:
(http://b-mcc.com/aq/southBlock.JPG)
Figure out how you feel about that.
Okay, starting to get misty, I should go. 8)
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Heh, awesome! Thanks, Brandon!
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No probs, yo. 8)
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this was very valuable thread to me. now I know how the final boss looks like. any tips on how to defeat the final boss ??
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Making new topics with spambots? Sure... but reviving old ones? No, bad bot. This forum really needs an update or a more active moderator.
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I'm actually glad this boss didn't make it into the game. The Sun Temple Worm was the most frustrating boss in the game and I am not eager to have to repeat the scenario with an even HARDER boss.
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Frustrating... and pretty uninteresting IMO. I expected a place like the sun temple to have a more interesting boss than that, also it was no challenge in figuring out how to beat it.
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The sun worm is one of the few bosses where you just have to shoot and evade, no puzzle element anywhere. I don't see how that makes it the worst boss.
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Who said it was the worst boss? I don't see that statement anywhere. Just that he's frustrating, lacking a puzzle element, and I'm eager not to fight something similar.
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"Most frustrating" then, you nitpicking jack.
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He's the most frustrating because he is the only boss where careful thought and legitimate tactics STILL doesn't guarantee you victory. He's fast, fills the room with bullets, and the walls are lined with spikes (he'd be ok if not for this). Some bosses have an obvious pattern that, with practice, can be beaten 100% of the time. But the Worm will rend your mind from your body and wail on it with a spiritual stick.
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Wow, by the size of the worm relative to the map, it looks like his as big than the last for that DID make it into the game. Thank God, this worm character never made it... He looks so creepy..... :o
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"Most frustrating" then, you nitpicking jack.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly is a nitpicking jack?
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Let's just say I said "jack" instead of adding an other 3 letter word to it to keep it tidy.
Secondly, Sun worm HAS strategy, like attaching yourself to a wall and using nature form with the spikes and briars.
And the worm is indeed pretty damn huge, hadn't noticed that yet.
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Ok, I thought it could be cool is someone brings this boss to life (still wondering why nobody has done this before), so here it is !
(http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx278/Yogoda/CreatorBossCave.png)
The boss is already available in the entities list, with the script and all, but it is not functional. I used the screen-shot provided by BMcC to set the nodes (have been very helpful), had to modify the script a bit (basically uncomment things), and it worked very nicely, wonder why they did not include it in Aquaria.
Some changes :
- Made the head closer to the body.
- Added jaw animation
- Increased life of every segments
- Decreased power of the shots
- Fixed the death scene
- Sound added (picked from Aquaria)
The boss moves in circles, sometimes changing path. You just have to shoot the heads until they flip (dead). When every segment is dead, the boss dies, so as you can see it is not very hard of frustrating like the sun worm, but still fun. Even with increased life, he dies really fast.
It will be included in the mod we are currently developing, Magic of Aquaria :)
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Holy--
That came from behind the corner. :X
Nice work, Yogoda... Can't wait to play Magic of Aquaria :p
New bosses always excite me.
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Very cool, Yogoda. One quibble - the jaw hinges farther forward (seems to hinge on the eye) in BMCC's version of the boss. I had it wrong when I pieced it together using GIMP. Also, the tail segment seems to be falling off. ;)
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That's impressive. I think the tail is all right actually, as it doesn't have the same kind of interlocking shell the other segments have.
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I hope you'll fix the white outline when actually using this boss, it'd be very neat to see this working in the game, I bet even Alec would be amazed.
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ok, removed the white outline and moved the jaw. The tail looks fine how it is (doesn't look like the screenshot in game)
Thanks a lot for your feedback :)
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Damn you modders with your modding skills, you make our not-modding skills look like dirt :P
Wow, that thing actually looks like a pretty fun boss. I certainly would prefer fighting it over the sun worm.
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The boss is already available in the entities list, with the script and all, but it is not functional. I used the screen-shot provided by BMcC to set the nodes (have been very helpful), had to modify the script a bit (basically uncomment things), and it worked very nicely, wonder why they did not include it in Aquaria.
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It will be included in the mod we are currently developing, Magic of Aquaria :)
WHOA, that's awesome of you! How totally unexpected. :D
It's great to see, even years later, that my work didn't go to waste! So, so cool.
But PLEASE don't tell me what the script looked like... *shivers*
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Haha, now that's someone who doesn't post a lot.
Any comments on the Creator form to enlighten us, BMcC?
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Two major players back - Derek and now BMcC! :)
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But PLEASE don't tell me what the script looked like... *shivers*
Haha, don't worry I also had a hard time trying to update the behavior, he was always getting stuck into a border, was making me crazy. Not an easy one to script ;)
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WOAW! Yogoda fixed the boss? That's awesome!
I cannot wait to fight this thing...