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Aquaria => Gameplay => Topic started by: See.Blue on February 02, 2009, 11:40:20 pm
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Ok after a little experimentation (and resulting from my really unbiased dislike of Mithalas as a whole; great, atmospheric area, just takes too long) I've found a way to get up the current-y entrance to the Veil from Open Waters 2 without using Ekkrit.
1. Bind one of the large boulders in the little gulch on the side of the path up.
2. Drop it in one of the little 45-degree slanted tiles on the left-hand side of the upper part of that room, with the strong current in sight.
3. Get a good angle on the briar missile
4. Ride baby ride
5. Enjoy Veil without Beast
Moral of the story: Briar missile is unaffected by currents.
This opens up a whole lot of sequence-breaky speed-run-y things such as Li for Mithala. It also opens up the speed run path [1.0]
Edit:
Video:
Home Waters
Song Cave
Energy Temple
Open Waters
Kelp Forest
Veil
Climb outside of Sun Temple, enter through the top
Grab Sun Form and exit back out the top
Abyss
Body
Anyways, Enjoy!
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E04xkDxlW9I
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Very good work - unfortunately, you still need the Beast Form for the Golem boss. Version 1.0.3 fixed the gap in the Tongue through which Naija could slip, and the Beast Form is vital to opening the Body.
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Version 1.0.3 fixed the gap in the Tongue through which Naija could slip, and the Beast Form is vital to opening the Body.
I know :( :( :(
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'Unfortunately,' because the fastest times (completed with the glitch) are now impossible to replicate.
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But buggy speedruns are not really that great...
Also, justl ike in the other topic, it's called briar rocketing or something familiar, if it's too hard for you to say, copy paste it.
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Also, justl ike in the other topic, it's called briar rocketing or something familiar, if it's too hard for you to say, copy paste it.
Edited. Apologies, I had referred to it that way only so people could search for it (I believe that's what it was referred to in its original topic by Alec)
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Indeed. I don't recall Alec particularly typing the words, but he never disputes the name.
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And I further complicated matters by using the other 'p' word lol And bravo for finding a way to use the rocket to get up that current :D
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A video of this would be very appreciated.
Though, again, I see no use of doing the Veil before Mithalas, seeing, well, you need the beast form no matter what... at least in the later versions.
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But it's still nice to figure out differen't ways of doing things and that is the beauty of Aquaria, there's nothing wrong in getting beast after the Light form for a change :)
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A video of this would be very appreciated.
Though, again, I see no use of doing the Veil before Mithalas, seeing, well, you need the beast form no matter what... at least in the later versions.
Video Posted.
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Nice, simple video, would've thought it would be harder than that, but you make it look very easy. XD
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It does look easy, but I be it isn't that easy at all. How many tries before you got that video of it see.blue?
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It does look easy, but I be it isn't that easy at all. How many tries before you got that video of it see.blue?
Haha while trying to figure out if the trick was possible I got it second try . The time I got the vid was after about 5 minutes of fumbling (and 4 successes off cam ^-^). The trick is to be attached to or literally touching the rock when you cast bind, otherwise you either drag the rock too far from the wall and you miss the angle or too close and it gets hung up on the wall. Once you know that its surprisingly reliable actually, give it a shot next time you're in the area
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Heh, I tried it myself, I found it more easy to place the briar so that it point exactly towards the exit. Then have Naija also float between that line, with a slight distance from the tip.
Then cast bind, quickly change to nature, and hop on the tip of the briar.
I bet in the next patch that Alec will increase the distance between Naija and the something she has binded before it moves to her.
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Hopefully. :) That would make some sections so much easier. :)
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It makes me wonder, are there any treasures you're supposed to get by swimming through a current?
I know that there's the spirit form where you go through the big bulb could be something, getting spirit before beast, but further, I wonder if there's more.
Though I can't remember if there's a single big rock in Mithalas.
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The Mithalas pot is the only treasure you can't retrieve without beast form. It's in one of the pagodas before the Spirit Priest(esse)s.
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The Mithalas pot is the only treasure you can't retrieve without beast form. It's in one of the pagodas before the Spirit Priest(esse)s.
I was going to mention that until I spotted your post, but perhaps if you forget about using the litle cheats to beat the current up to the veil, then to can't get the treasures up there without beast form either..
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I don't think there's any rocks in Mithalas unfortunately. Though I've wondered if there aren't some more briar shenanigans to be found that can help with currents (or if you get a perfect launch if it's strong enough). I actually just began a litmus test speed run (Energy Temple Entrance, 8 minutes) but when I finish up I want to play around and see.
Also, can briar-missiles get you through the hot currents? If so I want to try to plant a briar on the Mithalas throne token and see if I can ride that to the Spirit form boss (I forget if the barrier there only closes once you enter the room or if it spawns closed). That'd let us get all treasures without beast
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Also, can briar-missiles get you through the hot currents? If so I want to try to plant a briar on the Mithalas throne token and see if I can ride that to the Spirit form boss (I forget if the barrier there only closes once you enter the room or if it spawns closed). That'd let us get all treasures without beast
I doubt they can - falling into one of the steam jets while clinging on to a rock dislodges Naija's grip, so doing so while on a briar will probably do the same thing. Very interesting idea about the coin though - does it actually work? :)
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Like the pearl, the coin cannot be briar'd. Second, Chibi, -I- was talking about Mithalas, Silver about the Veil.
Either way, the only reason I wondered if there were any currents with treasures behind them was because it would maybe be quicker and skip a few backtracks needed to get the necessary things.
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That's the best way to shorten the trip after completing the maps in a strategic order.
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Either way, the only reason I wondered if there were any currents with treasures behind them was because it would maybe be quicker and skip a few backtracks needed to get the necessary things.
I'm sure there're tricks. That's the best kind of exploration. Like in the Kelp Forest, its easily possible to get the Walker Baby treasure without Sun or Spirit form. Just know where the hole is and when you get to the spirit barrier hold on to the right side of the big walker and wall-jump along it's back towards the treasure. You can even get back out too :)
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I haven't yet used spirit form to get the baby walker, I have been able to slip past the adult one every time using fishform.
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Heh, another thing for Alec to fix then.
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Heh, another thing for Alec to fix then.
I disagree. Sequence breaks and little tricks like that make the game so much more fun. These aren't things that are game-breaking or even game changing, if anything they lend a little additional depth even to the learning-the-ropes process (and besides its always fun to realize you just discovered something extra in the game). I mean its possible to briar-climb the outside of the Sun temple to jump right to the sun worm but thats neither something an inexperienced player would even think to try or something that really breaks the game and definitely shouldn't be patched. Aquaria's my virtual jungle gym, the more options the better :) ;)
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Seconded. Quirks like that really do add depth (pun intended) to the gameplay. It's great fun to experiment in Aquaria. :)
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Yeah, but he already has fixed the 'bug' that the walkers can die by beast or Urchin Costume, why not make the entrance smaller, eh?
And I agree with you, I do, but I think Alec will fix it anyway. ^^
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I like that he's fixed that bug as I hate Li or my pet shooting them, I mean that i's just plain mean so if I have killed the dragons I switch them of when near the walkers :-[ ::)
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This is way too cool to "fix". :)
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That opinion is greatly appreciated from the co-developer. :)
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Do you mean the sequence break, or the being able to skip spirit by getting past the walker to get the walker baby treasure in fish form? >.>
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I hope he means both. :D