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Aquaria => Gameplay => Topic started by: See.Blue on February 01, 2009, 06:29:22 am

Title: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: See.Blue on February 01, 2009, 06:29:22 am
I'm working on my boss killing speed and on really all there's some point where you just blast with energy form, which brings me to my question: what's faster, single shots or charge shots in terms of damage/second?  If i have a wall I can execute the 6-shot charge shot pretty much every time so assume for this a charge shot is the 6 shot charge shot.  Anyone know about this?

Correction: Nature doesn't have a wall to boost from  :-[
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Alphasoldier on February 01, 2009, 08:25:09 am
Well, when looking into the source of the game the normal Energy shots do 1 damage and the charged shots do 1.5 damage.
The only thing I don't know is what the firing rate is of the normal and charged energy shots are.
Though I think in the end, if done perfectly each time, the charged shots would be quicker. However, if you don't use walls, I know for sure that the normal shots are better.
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: delve on February 01, 2009, 12:53:01 pm
The question is whether you can reliably fire 6 shot charges in less time than it takes to fire 9 normal shots.  I'm not sure that's possible, since the energy shot cooldown seems to be practically nonexistent. I'd think you'd have to having the charge timing down so fine that you're entering your flourish at the same time the charge finishes building.

There's also the question of how many charge shots reach the target. Since they fire in all directions the paths of each bolt are different and some could easily hit a wall or miss a smaller weak spot. My gut says firing a continuous stream of energy that you know is going to all hit home would be better.
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: silverflagon on February 01, 2009, 06:46:53 pm
I have found using the normal shots beat them far faster than the charged ones, the reason is mostly because while you are charging up they are damn well killing you and you need to keep replacing lost life.  So now I use a food to boost the normal shot and spam like crazy saving the charge shot just for the pearls or the odd occasion when I feel like using it for some reason lol
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Particlese on February 01, 2009, 07:04:49 pm
One case where the charged shot can do more damage in a given time is when the enemy or boss quickly hides its weak spot after it's hit.  In some cases, you can get multiple charged bolts to hit simultaneously, but the normal shots are too far apart to hit it more than once before the vulnerability closes.
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: silverflagon on February 01, 2009, 09:57:17 pm
Like the octopus or the crab? I still spam even them :D
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Chibi on February 02, 2009, 03:59:56 am
Normal charged shot doesn't make much of a difference in that situation: to fully harness the power, you have to shoot a six-shot blast. This is often difficult when projectiles and enemies are flying around like snow (like in Hiro's mod  :) ).
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: silverflagon on February 02, 2009, 04:37:52 pm
Normal charged shot doesn't make much of a difference in that situation: to fully harness the power, you have to shoot a six-shot blast. This is often difficult when projectiles and enemies are flying around like snow (like in Hiro's mod  :) ).
That is one technique I haven't tried, so how do you do it Chibi?
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Xiagan on February 02, 2009, 05:05:08 pm
Never occurred to you to do a forum search for the six-shot blast, Silver? ;)
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: See.Blue on February 02, 2009, 05:33:21 pm
That is one technique I haven't tried, so how do you do it Chibi?

It's a fun trick. If you release a charge while dashing off of a wall you'll fire 4 shots instead of 3.  To get the full 6, charge, dash off a wall then if you dash again immediately you'll notice Naija spins.  Release while she's spinning for the big money
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: delve on February 02, 2009, 06:04:56 pm
You can also get a 4-shot by flourishing at the end of a standard dash.
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: silverflagon on February 02, 2009, 10:49:20 pm
Never occurred to you to do a forum search for the six-shot blast, Silver? ;)
Well were are in the middle of a discussion about it so I deceded to be idle for once, I do enogh searching to make up for this one lapse I think? ;D
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: See.Blue on February 02, 2009, 10:52:51 pm
Besides it makes us newbies feel special helping out a forum veteran  ;D
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: silverflagon on February 02, 2009, 10:56:15 pm
There is that too. :D I am of the opinion that no matter what your age or experience, there are always things that you don't know :D
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Chibi on February 03, 2009, 12:07:02 am
Quote from: Benjamin Disraeli
To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge.
   
   - Benjamin Disraeli (1804 - 1881), Sybil, 1845

Apt quote in this circumstance.  :)
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Titch on February 03, 2009, 03:03:11 am
Aw man, I was feeling all proud of myself thinking to add some special effect to flourishing in a mod. Oh well.
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: silverflagon on February 04, 2009, 12:45:11 am
To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge.
   
   - Benjamin Disraeli (1804 - 1881), Sybil, 1845

Apt quote in this circumstance.  :)
And Leonardo da Vinci was of the same opinion :D
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Particlese on February 04, 2009, 05:50:56 am
As was William Preston:
"The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing."
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Chibi on February 04, 2009, 05:54:37 am
That's certainly a mind bender.  :) How can you know that you know nothing if you, indeed, have no knowledge? My head!  ;)
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Xiagan on February 04, 2009, 11:26:50 am
As was William Preston:
"The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing."

Preston clearly stole from Sokrates, I hope you know that. ;)
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Chibi on February 04, 2009, 03:48:18 pm
I remember that vaguely from first semester philosophy.  :)
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Particlese on February 04, 2009, 05:04:00 pm
As was William Preston:
"The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing."
Preston clearly stole from Sokrates, I hope you know that. ;)
Who could forget?:)
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: silverflagon on February 04, 2009, 08:26:33 pm
But it's only when you leave the teen years behind that you can admit to knowing nothing... A mother's words......... lol
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Align on February 05, 2009, 12:16:11 am
It doesn't really end. Every ten years or so you look back at how you used to be and think "god damn, I was so stupid back then"...
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: silverflagon on February 05, 2009, 12:38:04 am
It kind of eases of when you reach 50 Align lol And it's almost doesn't exhist when 60 is just around the corner lol
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Chibi on February 05, 2009, 12:46:06 am
It doesn't really end. Every ten years or so you look back at how you used to be and think "god damn, I was so stupid back then"...

I'm already thinking that - the subject being the events of three months ago ...  :-[  :-\ (The closest two smileys to regret).  :)
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: silverflagon on February 05, 2009, 10:10:03 pm
It doesn't really end. Every ten years or so you look back at how you used to be and think "god damn, I was so stupid back then"...

I'm already thinking that - the subject being the events of three months ago ...  :-[  :-\ (The closest two smileys to regret).  :)
*hugs!* don't worry all is forgiven chibi and it got you some friends so why worry :D
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: Chibi on February 06, 2009, 12:50:45 am
Lol - I meant something in the real world. :D
Title: Re: Energy Form Damage/Sec
Post by: silverflagon on February 06, 2009, 12:59:55 am
Oh those events, yes we all have them and I won't ask.