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Title: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: nunix on November 30, 2008, 05:51:06 am


1) Is the writing I see on the walls an actual alphabet? I'm interested to try cracking it, but only if, you know, it's an actual thing and not just random squiggles. ;P

2) What are the blue bulbs?! I've found a couple, and they make a weird little symbol on my map. I.. assume they're maybe some kind of warp? Do you get a song for them later? Mousing over them doesn't bring up any kind of interaction, and I haven't got a "I wonder what these are" monologue bit or anything.

3) With modding, can I make Naija's forms into actual animals (i'm thinking of a sharkopath, from The Future is Wild, for beast form..) or is everything always going to be a kind of humanoid hybrid form?

4) The giant dark jellyfish in Minthalas: can these be defeated? If yes, is there any POINT in doing so?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Chibi on November 30, 2008, 06:58:31 am
1) Is the writing I see on the walls an actual alphabet? I'm interested to try cracking it, but only if, you know, it's an actual thing and not just random squiggles. ;P

The writing on the walls is indeed an actual alphabet, and there are two methods of reading it: either go to this (http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5195/keypa7.png?s=1) link, or use the menu buttons (at start up) and Naija's translations of in-game text.


2) What are the blue bulbs?! I've found a couple, and they make a weird little symbol on my map. I.. assume they're maybe some kind of warp? Do you get a song for them later? Mousing over them doesn't bring up any kind of interaction, and I haven't got a "I wonder what these are" monologue bit or anything.


The blue bulbs are accessible with the charged shot of the nature form found in the top left corner of Aquaria (from the open waters map). Just explore Aquaria thoroughly and you'll find the Kelp Forest (the form's location).


3) With modding, can I make Naija's forms into actual animals (i'm thinking of a sharkopath, from The Future is Wild, for beast form..) or is everything always going to be a kind of humanoid hybrid form?


ChimeraThing was talking about a similar mod on this (http://www.bit-blot.com/forum/index.php?topic=1327.0) topic. He's the guy to go to.  :)



4) The giant dark jellyfish in Minthalas: can these be defeated? If yes, is there any POINT in doing so?

The giant dark jellyfish in Mithalas cannot be defeated (Glamador tried holding on to the creatures with urchin form for a whole night and nothing happened).

Hope those helped! It took me a long time to set the post up well.  ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: nunix on November 30, 2008, 07:35:40 am

Thanks a bunch! =D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Chibi on November 30, 2008, 04:41:45 pm
 :D Glad to help.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: nunix on December 01, 2008, 04:50:10 am

...okay, some more.

4) What's the point of Li? When I first found him, there was a bit where it suggested he'd be used in some puzzles, but.. I've found exactly nothing so far (am now in the Abyss).

5) Is there a land or air form or costume? Two or three times now I've managed some ridiculous wall/platform jumping that.. I think I probably shouldn't have been able to. Plus I wind up finding a song plant, stuff comes out, but I can't -get- any of it because I wind up leaping halfway across the screen (and sometimes more than that, and by the time I get back UP THERE it's freaking gone.. so mad!)

6) King Jellyfish?! What the hell, man. =( It's the only objective-like thing I've found in the whole damn Abyss (aside from a place I can't pass due to steam) and he spits out a billion jellyfish and I die arghahrgahrgahrgharg.

7) How do you ride seahorses? I can interact with them, but they don't go anywhere. Costume?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Hiro on December 01, 2008, 05:06:04 am
Try singing for your seahorse..

#6 doesn't look like a question.. xD
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Chibi on December 01, 2008, 05:32:07 am
Li is central to the story later in the game.

Unfortunately not: lots of people have had trouble with that, although I haven't. The getting-items problem is particularly annoying - using up a couple of speed soups to reach a rook's egg, defeating the rook, then overshooting the egg.  >:D  :)

The way to beat King Jellyfish is to spam the creature's eye while eating the spawn with beast form every once in a while. Some people have said that the spider roll really helps here. (IDK the recipe)

Haha, I had the same problem: there was a horse next to a moneye nest. I grabbed onto it, then realized I didn't know how to use it. You can imagine what happened next.  ;D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Xiagan on December 01, 2008, 10:25:00 am
You can pass steam with the spirit form you find in Mithalas.

There are more things to find in the abyss besides the Jellyfish boss. You do have sun form, right?

You right click the seahorses in normal form and then steer them through singing. The horse goes in the direction of the note you sing.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: inkblob on December 01, 2008, 01:27:47 pm
I didn't know about riding seahorses until well into the game either, then I went and molested every sea creature out there with verse to see what happens  :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: nunix on December 01, 2008, 03:41:19 pm
You can pass steam with the spirit form you find in Mithalas.

...er? I got a Beast Form in Mithalas. Is there something else around there?

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There are more things to find in the abyss besides the Jellyfish boss. You do have sun form, right?

Yes. King Jellyfish is the only thing I've found, apart from some steam-blocked areas, and some tunnels that are too small for me to go through. And I've mapped out everything else I can.

If King Jellyfish is a required boss, I think I may quit the game right now and say to hell with it. This is ridiculously hard, and I'm sick and tired of having to swim the same damn stretch over and over to get back there.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Chibi on December 01, 2008, 03:50:31 pm
King Jellyfish is an optional boss, but he gives you a suit which almost locks your health at the halfway point (so it is only useful if you have retrieved most or all of the health eggs.

I suspect that you have only explored one half of the Abyss: try swimming as far as you can to the right: there is another part there.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Xiagan on December 01, 2008, 06:13:31 pm
It seems as if you missed two forms: Fish form deep in the Kelp Forest and Spirit Form in the North of Mithalas. One is for small passages, the other for steam blocked. Both will help you a great deal with the game. :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: nunix on December 02, 2008, 03:16:59 am

I don't think I've even found a Kelp Forest yet.

I'm pretty sure I've poked all around the Abyss but.. maybe not. I'm just glad I can skip the dang jellyfish; that brightens my mood considerably. =p Maybe I'll come back towards the end of the game when I've got more stuff.

Question!

8) "Rotten" food: is there some way to de-toxify these?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Chibi on December 02, 2008, 03:25:55 am
Unfortunately not: once your food is poisoned, it's inedible for good (unless used in Zuna's Perogi). This recipe poisons you but gives you the most powerful energy-form shot The only time I ever used it was against the Creator's second form, during which I was almost always poisoned anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Xiagan on December 02, 2008, 06:01:07 pm
The Kelp Forest is North/Northwest of Open Waters. Not that hard to find, actually. ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Chibi on December 03, 2008, 12:12:09 am
You'll know when you're on the right track when the background starts turning green and you see a lot of jumping ogres (the gargoyle-like stout creatures with two legs that jump at Naija after crouching.)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: nunix on December 03, 2008, 02:39:17 am
Yeah, found it. I hadn't been through that stretch of Open Waters for a long time, and had neglected to mark the current on my map. Easiest boss so far. Now to go back exploring and seeing where I can use nature and fish forms...

9) There are a bunch of yellow, spikey, jumping plants(?) in the Kelp Forest. What is their significance? They're super-easy to avoid, they don't shoot anything at you, you can't eat them (or I get hurt every time I try, at least), and they never appear to drop any items.

10) Tadpole-thingies. I found one of these in a house in Mithalas, and it attached to me and gave me constant life regeneration until I moved to the next zone. I found a small cave with more of them in the Kelp Forest, but they wouldn't attach to me in any form, and singing didn't seem to help either. Anyone know what I'm talking about? How do you get them to attach?

11) Where the heck do you find a Sea Cake?! I have five or six cake recipes. ALL of them require sea cake as a base ingredient. I have every form up to the fish now (which, incidentally, answers my question about whether or not you can have a creature form!) and have yet to find a single sea cake anywhere.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: PiSketch on December 03, 2008, 03:12:07 am
9) The bouncies do nothing but get in your way.  At least, they never did for me.  it's possible that if you kill every one in the game, you get over 9000 bonus points, but...

10) The health tadpoles attach to you when you sing the color of their eyes.  I never really bothered trying to tell what color they are, and just spun the mouse around the song wheel.

11)  Not sure where you get the recipe, but it's any oil+egg.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Hiro on December 03, 2008, 11:41:16 am
Lol. I guess I was pretty adventurous with my cooking.. I found sea cake really early in the game. xD

And yeah, singing to the tadpoles should work.. Just when you have them on, try not to do the spin thing (moving the mouse around Naija in circles really fast or holding 'r') as it throws them off.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Sirensongstress on December 03, 2008, 06:20:04 pm
I think the spiky yellow plant things are seeds.  That's just my thought.

I think the "gargoyle" things someone talked about earlier may be some kind of frog, although since the Kelp Forest doesn't really have a lot of air places, or maybe none at all, that's not the best idea, since they are amphibians... and need land as well as water habitat areas.

I got the sea cake recipe from getting a sea cake pretty early in the game - maybe you missed one of those bulbs where you sing to get the goods? I actually swam all the way back to the beginning once I got the bind song so I could check behind rocks for bulb plants... although sometimes you can see the glow from behind them anyway.

I totally love the Jellyfish armor... it's not just a life saver, it's beautimous.  My favorite outfit in the entire game ;).  I actually really like the Jellyfish boss fight, because I just switch between beast and energy form, and eat all those baby jellies - just like someone else said.  It's like you don't ever really get hurt badly because you're always healing :D.

Anyway, just had a lot of comments XD.

 
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Chibi on December 04, 2008, 12:04:04 am
Everyone loves reading well-thought out posts.  :)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: nunix on December 04, 2008, 12:48:20 am
I got the sea cake recipe from getting a sea cake pretty early in the game - maybe you missed one of those bulbs where you sing to get the goods?

I had to use the treasure maps for this; turns out it's under a rock in the NW tunnels of Home Waters. I'd mapped it out before I got the Bind Song, and must not've even noticed the glow. I also don't think Sea Cake is SUPPOSED to be that rare, considering how many cake recipes there are, but.. I also think that's the only one in the whole game. -.-

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I totally love the Jellyfish armor... it's not just a life saver, it's beautimous.  My favorite outfit in the entire game ;).  I actually really like the Jellyfish boss fight, because I just switch between beast and energy form, and eat all those baby jellies - just like someone else said.  It's like you don't ever really get hurt badly because you're always healing :D.

This has not been my experience. I just don't heal enough from the jellyfish to offset the constant damage. =/

Ah well. I did manage to find all the memories on my own, and even got a rukh egg.. but Frozen Veil is irritating, so now it's on to the last couple areas. =p
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Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: silverflagon on December 04, 2008, 01:51:47 am
I quite enjoy getting those ruhk eggs and I keep going back for more and I get plenty of the blue bulbs also :o The sea cake is only found once you have to make them from then onwards :D

Any way those jumping orange things, beast form can eat them in my version of the game?
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Xiagan on December 04, 2008, 05:32:31 pm
and I get plenty of the blue bulbs also

The blue ones are easy, the red ones are the rare/needed ones. ;)
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: silverflagon on December 04, 2008, 09:08:09 pm
and I get plenty of the blue bulbs also

The blue ones are easy, the red ones are the rare/needed ones. ;)
I know Xiagan, it just that you have to kill those seadragons to get the most but most of the time it's just giving leaves :( I mentioned those because they are very useful in conjunction with the ruhk egg :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: nunix on December 06, 2008, 02:48:19 am
Oh my god am I pissed off. =(

Last boss, second form (standing, face off): he grabs you and I CANNOT ESCAPE. I beat him once without this happening, but then died at the final form. Now I cannot get past this second form again because he grabs, poisons, and I cannot get away. Charged shots in energy and sun form do nothing, nature form does nothing, can't get away in fish or beast form. How are you supposed to get free again?

So mad.

(Have died 3 times in a row due to just this thing. sigh.)

EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot about the boss strategies thread, which kindly points out exactly this. ;p
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Xidus on December 06, 2008, 06:48:48 am

And yeah, singing to the tadpoles should work.. Just when you have them on, try not to do the spin thing (moving the mouse around Naija in circles really fast or holding 'r') as it throws them off.

Also don't turn into fish form.
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: silverflagon on December 06, 2008, 09:34:33 pm

And yeah, singing to the tadpoles should work.. Just when you have them on, try not to do the spin thing (moving the mouse around Naija in circles really fast or holding 'r') as it throws them off.

Also don't turn into fish form.
Yes and that lol
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: silverflagon on December 06, 2008, 09:36:11 pm
Oh my god am I pissed off. =(

Last boss, second form (standing, face off): he grabs you and I CANNOT ESCAPE. I beat him once without this happening, but then died at the final form. Now I cannot get past this second form again because he grabs, poisons, and I cannot get away. Charged shots in energy and sun form do nothing, nature form does nothing, can't get away in fish or beast form. How are you supposed to get free again?

So mad.

(Have died 3 times in a row due to just this thing. sigh.)

EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot about the boss strategies thread, which kindly points out exactly this. ;p
Good man nunix that's the way to use this forum :D
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: nunix on December 07, 2008, 04:19:10 am

The ironic part is that once I knew how to escape the grasp.. I fought him and didn't even need it. -.-
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: Hiro on December 07, 2008, 10:49:49 am
xD Oh well, at least now you know for next time.   :-X
Title: Re: Miscellaneous questions
Post by: silverflagon on December 07, 2008, 08:49:58 pm
He's only caught me twice from what I remember and I've played it 3 times now ::) lol